From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nate Bass Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 02:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: References: <83lg2bivne.fsf@gnu.org> <20190219095700191526550@bob.proulx.com> <83d0nnit0o.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220115853855643126@bob.proulx.com> <83imxegskr.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220152455054511191@bob.proulx.com> <835ztdgr10.fsf@gnu.org> <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="221733"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: moasenwood@zoho.eu To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 23 11:29:49 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gxUZ2-000var-IK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 11:29:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35909 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxUZ1-00087N-IV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:29:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47911) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxUYq-00086h-M4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:29:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxUYi-0001hO-W3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:29:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]:39717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gxUYa-00019x-QU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 05:29:24 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id m11so3569532lfc.6 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 02:29:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fiwuzIkt/dZB12G/L3pCnA4LCExRLQiTTrAjcciLBCI=; b=IMQtKqcTRlAPqXrwvfzvAkNj6GmmJWl2V8KB3shStENAG5xf2hYOiXj1wmAeDMJqon c8EPbugtOnWlnfdw1BC/UUN4kjof7tLDEIDkTGfClO98XfLhR49Oryc5bWSftbMYOw3B LL3eLkqzWKVpKKIdzrpKeX3kvAjpNRdc9l5PYs5kGbun2cMhs1VkQbQf3pRfKSBG+fyY KvU80Qyk0xdteUXP3LDQL/n27bg4pMrEzaiMIZ6FDVgwqearRH4pgOQlevvK2ql1b8Pp /C7r+Dnv1vZTd+3BpM4jzN3q6t08y2PFtkJ5uDq71jxBwOcZJs+KV8F3E7+rJBVoHqGA qImA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fiwuzIkt/dZB12G/L3pCnA4LCExRLQiTTrAjcciLBCI=; b=cx4T0Jm58lkZU9P9oxA64qt71z4Y6qzdvHFdkvl1MxCkcS08hc1m2NpisQJln8Kekw DWfBg/wBufiPuQHa++9iKlcIaR46eyI38EhEDQIIaWBnEJCeyN9sARGVOuwj8MvQ98Jr AFn/pOPZ8RmzlcefGj5MmppXX3ktV5/aGhObTdpQbWsML8DpoTt1sGrdeHjIoaee0JUR 7wGDP9x3q/TowJUtmSiNQ8LxA9RwiXiJqIfC7SYYc2hJxjda1plt+YJ6+JtrdFOj18i/ S79QRQIWPCu+J5qVBVBgMOZHUOCESGdg2Ef0AHF1QXGKBmXC+sgLim8EqqnyOH1Fzu+T AIFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuYCUkrSauICY5aS3l1OW+qIyIg5jW56LsiFl+KxVjclfMA2mHm9 JcnodK6atx2TlVWfKFuZ8k5+nnI13mh3q8fBegbZMP7z X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IaIltIQh1AwBvgBYRrHFNgMAajQ8muQ6rBlSmGG5/H9k4J9ftjzCI9gdV0q4YQIQVxs23KyvVB+ySjnkKZwyqs= X-Received: by 2002:a19:920a:: with SMTP id u10mr5438820lfd.122.1550917747168; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 02:29:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::12d X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119522 Archived-At: I compared my Gmail to the archives and I found that I wasn't receiving mail from one particular address moasenwood@zoho.eu and I think this caused me to bounce off the help-gnu-emacs mailing list. I started to miss messages on February 6 at 8:51 PST, while receiving all others on the mailing list. I missed at least one message each day from this address (25 missed total) until February 10 at 12:35 PST when I received a message stating: > Your membership in the mailing list help-gnu-emacs has been disabled > due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 10-Feb-2019. I did receive messages (about 5 or 6) from moasenwood@zoho.eu interspersed amongst the missed messages. I checked the headers of the ones I received and the ones I missed but I could not find any meaningful difference. I compared my Gmail to the archives by diffing the mbox files (https://superuser.com/a/990431/644460 if anyone wants to try) to be sure that I wasn't missing messages from any other address. I even checked Janurary and Feburary of emacs-devel and I could only find missed messages from moasenwood@zoho.eu. I can also confirm that, upon rejoining help-gnu-emacs on February 17, I did not receive this message https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-02/msg00312.html dated February 20. Maybe other users can check if they have this in their inbox and report if you are using gmail or something else? This issue raises two questions. 1) Why was I not receiving message from that address. Any thoughts Emanuel? I did receive your original post "Gmane up again" and some but not all of the following replies, if that helps. 2) Should the automatic bounce processing system be changed? I think my experience confirms that help-gnu-emacs has a bounce score threshold of 5.