From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Freer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.viewmail,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for email: Rmail v VM v Gnus Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:21:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20519.24129.473000.750075@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344936076 8016 80.91.229.3 (14 Aug 2012 09:21:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org, viewmail-info-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org To: Uday Reddy Original-X-From: viewmail-info-bounces+gev-viewmail-info=m.gmane.org-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Tue Aug 14 11:21:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gev-viewmail-info@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T1DJL-000065-Ui for gev-viewmail-info@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:21:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44410 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1DJK-0008Us-VI for gev-viewmail-info@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:21:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53398) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1DJI-0008Um-MI for viewmail-info-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:21:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1DJH-00009c-E6 for viewmail-info-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f173.google.com ([209.85.213.173]:44587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1DJH-00009U-9Q for viewmail-info-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:21:11 -0400 Original-Received: by yenm4 with SMTP id m4so184514yen.4 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:21:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=n+OaOwwmprbYD+pjg5CE1zp+O5l47d5dRd/fWkc2k0E=; b=oTGlYy392/WBCWB7cUjbWKPYSG/kwVXnTmWfM2ZXETjHYt/dZ7fp13akqeOrae7Ej+ AjC4GVaxbgv4Mend68RFnJ21LbfmqeUj0+/sAOqZatDxCKpulNbhGGtPfN43MuJqzQtL DG16zQyEqPgt4ZFAhwXRjMdaY9+kcCO0ywZSDn/JIEoHTx9zJZ39PEUDl6jqiUuX+Mr/ FIPuZ5KB2/k+LjsekZQvWENH0JUXhF9GY3bi+x4KE3RkkV7Vy+2UPHtGVsvQ3fZDczjE mBYj+LCHKaK4AFu5X8ZkKKKUgLQvmVEihO26BBqEPYjbaNql7Cu2lG4K1MzrhpR7qZtf nBEA== Original-Received: by 10.42.35.82 with SMTP id p18mr11679893icd.15.1344936070103; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.43.17.135 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:21:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20519.24129.473000.750075-4mDQ13Tdud8Jw5R7aSpS0dP8p4LwMBBS@public.gmane.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.213.173 X-BeenThere: viewmail-info-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of VM mail reader List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: viewmail-info-bounces+gev-viewmail-info=m.gmane.org-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: viewmail-info-bounces+gev-viewmail-info=m.gmane.org-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.viewmail:585 gmane.emacs.help:86336 Archived-At: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Uday Reddy wrote: > chad writes: > >> If you want to use emacs and keep your mail on the server, you >> probably want to look into Wanderlust. Gnus can do it also [...] >> >> If you don't mind moving to keep your email locally, your options >> expand quite a bit. In addition to Gnus, you can try rmail, mh-e, and >> VM. > > I would like to correct the impression that VM is a local folder mail > client. Starting with version 8.1.0 (released in March 2010), VM has had > full support for IMAP. Quoting from the release notes for 8.1.0: > > MAJOR NEW FEATURES: > > * Support for reading and replying to messages in HTML. > > * Full support for IMAP servers. (See "IMPROVEMENTS for > imap-folders".) > > I should also add that VM is very similar to Rmail in its basic structure, > but extends Rmail with full support for MIME and POP/IMAP servers. It also > has a very powerful virtual folder facility. (VM was in fact the inventor > of the "virtual folder" concept). Virtual folders are extremely useful when > you have to deal with large quantities of email, with multiple mail folders > etc. > > You can find the public releases of VM here: > > http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/viewmail/ > > and the development versions here: > > http://launchpad.net/vm > > Cheers, > Uday As VM isn't part of gnu-emacs why has Rmail not been developed. There was a discussion thread a while back on how emacs could be improved. Emacs is "complete working environment" but for email for IMAP and virtual folders one has to turn to another app. Xemacs i believe has VM installed with it. Why not use Xemacs? well i found it fairly poor compared with gnu-emacs [well it doesn't seem to have been compiled properly for use on ubuntu somehow.] james