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On June 11, 2019 3:37:00 PM GMT+02:00, "=C3=93scar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo=
=2Ees> wrote:
>Ergus via help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu=2Eorg> writes:
>
>> Hi Stefan:
>>
>> I agree with you about the prefix=2E After some suggestions in private
>> (from this same thread) I have been using the composable package [1]
>and
>> it works like a charm=2E
>>
>> I didn't use it before because I didn't know about it (it is in
>> melpa)=2E But it really improves the emacs editing experience a lot
>> without affecting the default behavior=2E It has the best of modal
>editing
>> (the consistency) but without the annoying modes=2E
>>
>> There are some missing details, and things that can be improved, but
>I
>> see a lot of potential there=2E Probably this package (or a similar
>> design/reimplementation) may finish with the arguments about vim's
>modal
>> editing vs emacs memorize command and inconsistencies=2E Because it
>> provides the best of both worlds=2E It is compatible with transient and
>> delete-selection modes=2E
>>
>> The same applies to some commands and functions that will be not
>needed
>> anymore (or needed to remember) as explained in the project's Readme=2E
>>
>> [1] https://github=2Ecom/paldepind/composable=2Eel
>
>That indeed is an interesting package, but keep in mind that what you
>consider "annoying modes" on Vi(m) is the Right Thing for other users=2E
>Specifically, those modes allow to avoid the Control-Meta Emacs hell=2E
>

For users that like modes there is evil and similar modes=2E I was just re=
ferring to an approach to improve-simplify editing and memory usage keeping=
 the modeless behavior=2E

This is actually my main concern (and complain) about emacs bindings=2E Th=
at the inconsistencies forces to abuse of memory (most commands are bind wh=
ere there is space and  it's needed to read a documentation to know what th=
e prefix will do) or make very long commands combinations for simple freque=
nt tasks (like copy a whole line or 3 consecutive words)

>The demographics of Evil's users consists on Vim emigrees looking for a
>more powerful Vim, Emacs users who came to think that Vim's model is
>more efficient and/or elegant (some of those could find composable=2Eel
>interesting) and Emacs veterans trying to alleviate their RSI-related
>maladies=2E

I think composable=2Eel works very fine now but it needs some small improv=
ements in order to make more people happy and provide a 100% standard exper=
ience (Display useful information in the modeline for example)=2E Maybe (I =
have a dream) something similar to composable will be included in emacs (li=
ke vile or CUA mode)=2E But this really looks to me like a right approach: =
it keeps the modeless philosophy, reduces commands to remember and inconsis=
tencies, it is a very original solution/improvement to the key bindings lim=
itation issues, and reduces some binding combinations to the half while kee=
ping the backward compatibility and simplicity=2E