From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Eure Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs mode line suggestions Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:12:13 -0800 Message-ID: References: <15962952-6180-41bd-abce-1b919aa55807@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226877165 28409 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2008 23:12:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:12:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 17 00:13:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L1qoK-0003pj-TV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:13:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59149 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1qnC-0005qm-AT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:12:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1qmv-0005qh-TZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:12:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51686 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1qmv-0005qZ-DU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:12:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.digg.com ([64.191.203.36]:56546) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1qmu-0003jl-U6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:12:17 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491DCA85111 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:12:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -4.585 Original-Received: from mail.digg.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digg.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44y+GDUIymK7 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:12:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.2.16.254] (diggstage01.digg.com [64.191.203.34]) by mail.digg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4965A850E8 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:12:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59848 Archived-At: On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Richard Riley wrote: > Ian Eure writes: >> >> My objection is to the idea that you don't want star buffers in the >> list. These are also used for interaction with external processes: >> *ssh: host*, *SQL: foo*, *Twit-recent*, *compilation*, *shell*, >> *Python*. It seems ill advised to exclude those from the list. > > The kind of user that might want to see them is clued in enough to > use a > prefix or customise their setup accordingly. > That's not the point. A behavior is being suggested which has a serious usability negative. Your argument cuts both ways; anyone who might use the existing mechanism surely is clued in enough to know how to use it, so why bother changing it, either? Consider: 1. Edit stuff. 2. Create a *shell* buffer, do work in the shell. 3. Switch back to editing. 4. Try to go back to the shell - but wait, it's gone! What happened? It's equally confusing. If you want to improve things, great, but replacing one crappy behavior with a different crappy behavior is a waste. > I must say I agree with Xah and the "well thats the way its always > been" > kind of reply is not constructive in the slightest. > Did you actually read my reply? Because I criticized the proposal on it's merits, and never said anything remotely like that. - Ian.