From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ludwig, Mark" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs freezes every now and then on my windows 7 pc Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:58:44 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2f00df9a-2b69-46e0-b3df-e09ca4b0a295@googlegroups.com> <836291caqf.fsf@gnu.org> <818vdx0x1h.fsf@gmail.com> <1B758CD9545840F1A7FA3D6786813465@us.oracle.com> <831ujocwiu.fsf@gnu.org> <6056134BD3254EDFA2BCD19B4F8E0790@us.oracle.com> <83k3xgaw47.fsf@gnu.org> <87d338jazn.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344005958 32302 80.91.229.3 (3 Aug 2012 14:59:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:59:18 +0000 (UTC) To: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 03 16:59:19 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SxJLS-0007KQ-G9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:59:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57638 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxJLR-0005P2-TK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60313) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxJLF-0005BC-Vx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:59:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxJLF-0001I8-1l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:59:05 -0400 Original-Received: from uscimhub002.ugs.com ([146.122.22.36]:45451 helo=ugs.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxJLE-0001Hw-T4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:59:04 -0400 Original-Received: from USCIMMBX002.net.plm.eds.com ([169.254.3.66]) by USCIMHUB002.net.plm.eds.com ([146.122.22.36]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:58:44 -0400 Thread-Topic: Emacs freezes every now and then on my windows 7 pc Thread-Index: AQHNcYXGUEId2ClxnkWTKJNUQsCeSZdILPpA In-Reply-To: <87d338jazn.fsf@wanadoo.es> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [146.122.225.88] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP2+, XP SP1+ (seldom 98) X-Received-From: 146.122.22.36 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:86178 Archived-At: > From: =D3scar Fuentes > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:39 AM > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs freezes every now and then on my windows 7 pc >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > >> And the matter has nothing to do with whether someone builds Emacs > >> personally or uses a binary built by someone else. Who builds Emacs > >> is irrelevant here. > > > > It is relevant, because once a fix is committed, people who build > > themselves can rebuild and have a stable binary. >=20 > ... and more relevant to the development process: people can test and > report back about the proposed fix, specifically. Right! This is the "help" list, not the "devel" list. As a developer (oth= er software, not Emacs), I expect people who are picking up any recent deve= lopment version of my software to be other developers, able to deal with th= e potential for instability. Only after some stabilization and proper test= ing would I release anything to a user community that is generally unprepar= ed for this level of instability. If a user "pulls" the development versio= n before it's ready, s/he gets what s/he deserves. (To be clear, I am not = on the devel list, so have no idea what expectations have been set among th= e development community about non-developers pulling versions and using the= m.) To the point about some unnamed developer destabilizing the source, our ind= ustry overall has a very poor record of educating and training new people. = It's generally "baptism by fire" or "jumping in the deep end." In my offi= ce, if we have someone who's drowning, we assign an experienced person to d= o some direct mentoring to get the new person on the straight-and-narrow. = We also have rigorous code reviews, so we usually catch the drowning people= at that point. There seems not to be effective code review here. This is= all volunteers, after all; I imagine most volunteers just want to write th= eir own code, and don't want to deal with others' code.... Cheers, Mark