From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ludwig, Mark" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:04:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317776770 28321 80.91.229.12 (5 Oct 2011 01:06:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) To: "emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org" , "info-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 03:06:04 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFvr-0001Kl-2r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:05:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57113 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFvp-0004O8-Je for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFvl-0004O3-Cc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:05:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFvj-00079y-JX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:05:53 -0400 Original-Received: from usslmhub002.ugs.com ([134.244.32.85]:13919 helo=ugs.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBFvj-00079g-EX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:05:51 -0400 Original-Received: from USSLMMBX002.net.plm.eds.com (161.134.138.62) by USSLMHUB002.net.plm.eds.com (134.244.32.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:04:30 -0500 Original-Received: from USSLMMBX003.net.plm.eds.com ([169.254.2.147]) by USSLMMBX002.net.plm.eds.com ([169.254.1.68]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:04:30 -0500 Thread-Topic: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Thread-Index: AQHMfzgefS/KJuYC2EqLqotwi0Sv/pVs8h1A In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [146.122.220.52] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP2+, XP SP1+ (seldom 98) X-Received-From: 134.244.32.85 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82473 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Subject: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete >=20 > In Emacs 24, now in pretest, a change is being considered for ASCII > DEL (on most keyboards, the Backspace key) and the Delete function > key. The change affects the case of an active region that was not > dragged with the mouse. The change is that these commands would > delete the region, rather than just one character as now. >=20 > In the past, this behavior was enabled in some minor modes: CUA mode, > Delete Selection mode, and PC Selection mode. In the 24.0.90 pretest, > this behavior is enabled by default. Thus, building and using the > pretest is an easy way to try the change. >=20 > Here are the questions we hope you will answer: >=20 > * Are you in favor of this change? Yes > * Are you opposed to this change? No > * How strongly do you feel about the matter? >=20 > We don't want to just "count votes" -- we want to understand > how this affects users. So if you care about the issue, > please tell us how the change affects your editing. Moderately strongly. After working long enough in a "standard" Windows GUI= , I know my fingers have made that gesture in Emacs and been disappointed t= hat Emacs doesn't do it.... > * What are the cases where you find it helps? Assuming "case" means use case, most of mine would be helped. > * What are the cases where you find it hurts? When I have been using Emacs exclusively for a long enough time, I start re= membering the "Emacs way." (There's always Undo....) > * What is your level of Emacs experience? I started with EMACS at Cornell in 1980 on a DEC-20 (loved TECO).$$ I was = without Emacs 1985-1990 (dark years). I picked up the current lineage at G= NU Emacs 19.x ca. 1990 on a Sun-3 or -4? It used to be fun to build it fro= m C and .el files.... I use it regularly for C programming, maintaining a software product. I ha= ve a file of Emacs Lisp functions I have written for processing text -- spe= cial cases for the software product source or output. In the dark years, I went so far as to implement a very simple Emacs on top= of LSU(?), a programmable editor on VAX/VMS (successor to EDT). > A further change in the same area has been suggested: when there is an > active region, a self-inserting character would delete the region > before the character is inserted by default. >=20 > * What would you think of this further change? I would like this too. Thanks!