From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: custom: how do I augment an option? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87zk5473qz.fsf@gnu.org><87ehmgcm8k.fsf@gnu.org><92BD2872D2E546BA94A3CAE398693C26@us.oracle.com><87ehmgnqqz.fsf@gnu.org> <67A2247E25BC41A09BFD76399CE3A03F@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1346880497 19184 80.91.229.3 (5 Sep 2012 21:28:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 05 23:28:18 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T9N8u-0006wP-GZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:28:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46681 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9N8r-00009m-Ch for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:28:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9N8l-00008q-R6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9N8l-0001vp-0e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:42496) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T9N8j-0001vU-8p; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q85LRw2M012990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:27:59 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q85LRvhQ022179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:27:58 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q85LRv4D025563; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:27:57 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.248) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:27:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <67A2247E25BC41A09BFD76399CE3A03F@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: Ac2Lp1lxmGP6vEb/T8eBj948V+t9ggAAJL9QAAEsEHA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:86666 Archived-At: > > also see below (sneak preview: customize is broken :-). > > Please, don't just tell us here. `M-x report-emacs-bug', if > you think Emacs code is broken. That's the only real hope > (however slim it might be in some cases) of getting something fixed. > > In all likelihood (my guess), if "customize" does not seem to > do the right thing in this particular case it is not because > Customize is broken but because the programmer who coded this > particular user option did not do the right thing. > Those are not the same thing. And the devil is in the details. > So provide the details to Emacs Dev by reporting a bug. BTW, the doc string and source code comments seem to be an admission that there are some remaining problems. They suggest that this option is complex and is not necessarily for most end users to fiddle with. IOW, this is not your typical option. In the doc string: Don't touch this variable unless you really know what you're doing. In the code comments: ;; Guess this one shouldn't be easy to customize... ... ; Fixme: improve this