From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... 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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR05-DB8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130436 Archived-At: Eduardo Ochs writes: > On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 08:43, Arthur Miller wrote: >> >> I think you are probably correct about saving notes. Some vary famious >> scientists attribute almost everything to their notes. Maybe a >> self-saving scratch buffer isn't bad idea. It could maybe append a date >> and always open "fresh" but the true file would be save in the >> background, as a sort of a database. Sort of like we clear the terminal >> screen with Ctrl+l but the output is still there, just not >> visible. There probably is some note-taking package that already does >> that. Maybe some org-capture template that auto puts note in a lisp src >> block. Or maybe your eev already does that. Still didn't try it. It >> seems so conceptually big to me so I never get to it. Similar as that >> other package Hyperbole. > > Hi Arthur, > > Eev is indeed "conceptually big" (unfortunately), but AFAIK it is > compatible with everything else, it is easy to test "in small pieces", > it is easy to turn on and off, it is very hacker-friendly in all > senses, it is, or tries, to be very friendly to people with short > attention spans who will play with it at most 10 minutes per session, > and - ta-daaaa! - now it has very, very, very nice video links in its > tutorials!!! See: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-05/msg00527.html > http://angg.twu.net/2021-video-links.html > > If anything in the sales pitch above turns out to be false please tell > me - I'll fix it and you'll also get twice your money back! =P > > Cheers =), > Eduardo Ochs > http://angg.twu.net/#eev Yeah, I know. I have actually seen your video, but I'll have to re-watch it some time. Best regards!