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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform?
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 19:57:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB49772DCE43F9B9E138A33F6896399@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YhKJWCSQStNBCudl@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Sun, 20 Feb 2022 19:32:56 +0100")

<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 06:53:45PM +0100, Arthur Miller wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I opposed to the rhetorics of Po who is blaming it on Gtk bugs and devs having
>> their own ideas on input [...]
>
> Now we're in blame territory. The "close X display thing" is actually a
> long standing Gtk bug (around Gtk 2). X programs could always connect to
> more than one display, and could close one or more of them. Gtk chose
> to just crash the program when closing a display. This was acknowledged
> as a bug, but never fixed.
>

It was the only one concrete mentioned, but there were also words like "various"
and some other statments on devs having strange ideas, not working well on
Windows, while it seems to work fine for many applications etc.

> Have a look here [1] for that long winded history.

Thank you for the link.

> Now you can describe calling this "a bug" as rhethoric, but to me, a
> spade is a spade is a spade. Don't get me wrong: the Gtk people are
> in their full right to WONTFIX this, of course.

 I don't see it as a "wontfix", it looks to me like they
are just asking for more comprehensible stack traces:

> Emacs calls abort() when closing the display to deal with something that GTK 2 did when coupled with Emacs's own client/server architecture where any process can suddenly become the owner of a display connection. People keep posting useless stack traces that end with the intentional abort() call inside Emacs, useless comments about "this still happens to me" (yes: Emacs still calls abort()), or any other random Emacs stack trace coming from any other random issue they have.

> GDK could use somebody going through the code with a smaller test case than the whole of Emacs, to check if closing a display connection on different backends breaks the existing API contract. If that happens:

>    open a new bug
>    track the stack traces and see where we're trying to access a display post-closure
>    possibly open a merge request that fixes all the instances

> Until that time, I'm going to close this issue because it's ridiculous.

Quoted from: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/221



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-20 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-18 20:59 Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-18 22:23 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  3:21 ` emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  3:38   ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  3:44     ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  4:10     ` emacsq
2022-02-19  4:52       ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  6:24         ` emacsq
2022-02-19  6:37           ` Po Lu
2022-02-19 14:57       ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-19 19:20         ` emacsq
2022-02-19 19:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-20  1:10         ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 13:46           ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-20 14:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-20 17:53               ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-20 18:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-20 19:34                   ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-21  1:10                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-21  7:01                       ` Po Lu
2022-02-21 16:50                       ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-22  0:50                         ` Po Lu
2022-02-23 11:53                           ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-23 12:03                             ` Po Lu
2022-02-23 18:34                               ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-20 18:32                 ` tomas
2022-02-20 18:57                   ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2022-02-20 19:47                     ` tomas
2022-02-21  1:18                       ` Po Lu
2022-02-21  5:58                         ` tomas
2022-02-21  1:13                   ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 14:05             ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 18:40               ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-21  1:02                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-21 19:34                   ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-22  0:55                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-21 13:53               ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-22  0:56                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-22 12:00                   ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-22 12:02                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-22 12:33                       ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-22 14:09                         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-22 14:39                           ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-22 14:05                     ` Jean Louis
2022-02-20 14:12             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-20 16:46               ` Samuel Banya
2022-02-20 13:41     ` Sergey Organov
2022-02-20 13:54       ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 20:11       ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-19  7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19  7:38   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  8:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19  9:09       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  9:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 12:04           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 10:01         ` Pankaj Jangid
2022-02-19 13:59           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 17:54         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-19 22:42           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:39             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:20               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 17:51   ` Jean Louis
2022-02-19 17:56     ` Samuel Banya
2022-02-19 18:06       ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-19 22:48         ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:17           ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-21  5:51             ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 14:03               ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-21 15:22                 ` DragonFlyBSD Samuel Banya
2022-02-21 18:18                   ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-26 16:54                     ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-26 16:49                   ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-26 16:45                 ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  2:53                   ` DragonFlyBSD Samuel Banya
2022-02-27  2:59                     ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 19:49               ` DragonFlyBSD Lele Gaifax
2022-02-26 16:55                 ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 20:33                   ` DragonFlyBSD Lele Gaifax
2022-03-01 22:08                     ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-02  7:19                       ` DragonFlyBSD Lele Gaifax
2022-03-02 19:44                         ` DEOL: Declarative Emacs On-Line (was: Re: DragonFlyBSD) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-03  7:14                           ` DEOL: Declarative Emacs On-Line Lele Gaifax
2022-03-04  2:28                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 22:44       ` Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:42         ` Purposes of BSD-like systems Jean Louis
2022-02-20 12:56           ` Po Lu
2022-02-21  4:41           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21  9:50             ` andrew
2022-02-26 16:41               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 14:04             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-26 16:39               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 18:08     ` Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 19:30       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-19 19:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 22:55           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20  0:40           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:21           ` Why is GNU not Unix-like system? Jean Louis
2022-02-20 13:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 19:35       ` Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Jean Louis
2022-02-19 23:02         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 22:52       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 22:29     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 23:50       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-02-20  0:21         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20  0:31           ` Drew Adams
2022-02-20  6:49           ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-20 11:16             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-21  6:31               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:11                 ` Lumpers & Splitter Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:01                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 23:12             ` [External] : Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Drew Adams
2022-02-21  6:32               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 16:10                 ` Drew Adams
2022-02-27  1:15                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:12                 ` Lumpers & Splitter Jean Louis
2022-02-27  0:55                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 11:09           ` [External] : Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Jean Louis
2022-02-21  6:28             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21  6:50               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:24                 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:02                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:22               ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:09                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  1:10                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  1:12                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 10:59         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-20 10:55       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:22         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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