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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform?
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 18:53:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB49771DBBF270D13BDFBF1FD296399@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sfsdwsc7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:00:40 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> GTK uses some techniques that make Emacs's life very difficult.  This
> is not about assigning blame, nor about fairness, this is just the
> facts of life.

Please, how is essence of that different from what I said? Gtk chooses to do
things that does not fit Emacs, i.e, Gtk is not designed to be used the way that
fits Emacs, or with other Words, Emacs use-case does not fit Gtk design.

I opposed to the rhetorics of Po who is blaming it on Gtk bugs and devs having
their own ideas on input, or what he wrote I don't remember, instead of simply
saying that Gtk does not fit Emacs needs. I have tried to say why Gtk and Emacs
does not fit well, instead of leaving the original poster wondering how come
that Gtk was so rough around the edges after more than 20 years of development,
as Po has painted it.

>                 So please understand us when we very much hope a
> toolkit emerges that is more "friendly" to Emacs than GTK.

I think you are missunderstanding me here. I am not arguing for Gtk to become
one and only toolkit in Emacs. I am definitely not the one that favours Gtk as
such for Emacs. I was ranting about Gtk tooltips once, considering that Emacs is
completely capable of rendering tooltips on its own, no idea if you remember. If
you ask me, I would be very happy with Emacs doing its own menus and toolbars,
but that is not gonna happen.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-20 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-18 20:59 Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-18 22:23 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  3:21 ` emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  3:38   ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  3:44     ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  4:10     ` emacsq
2022-02-19  4:52       ` Po Lu
2022-02-19  6:24         ` emacsq
2022-02-19  6:37           ` Po Lu
2022-02-19 14:57       ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-19 19:20         ` emacsq
2022-02-19 19:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-20  1:10         ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 13:46           ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-20 14:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-20 17:53               ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2022-02-20 18:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-20 19:34                   ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-21  1:10                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-21  7:01                       ` Po Lu
2022-02-21 16:50                       ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-22  0:50                         ` Po Lu
2022-02-23 11:53                           ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-23 12:03                             ` Po Lu
2022-02-23 18:34                               ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-20 18:32                 ` tomas
2022-02-20 18:57                   ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-20 19:47                     ` tomas
2022-02-21  1:18                       ` Po Lu
2022-02-21  5:58                         ` tomas
2022-02-21  1:13                   ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 14:05             ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 18:40               ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-21  1:02                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-21 19:34                   ` Arthur Miller
2022-02-22  0:55                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-21 13:53               ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-22  0:56                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-22 12:00                   ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-22 12:02                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-22 12:33                       ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-22 14:09                         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-22 14:39                           ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-22 14:05                     ` Jean Louis
2022-02-20 14:12             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-20 16:46               ` Samuel Banya
2022-02-20 13:41     ` Sergey Organov
2022-02-20 13:54       ` Po Lu
2022-02-20 20:11       ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-19  7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19  7:38   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  8:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19  9:09       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19  9:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 12:04           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 10:01         ` Pankaj Jangid
2022-02-19 13:59           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 17:54         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-19 22:42           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:39             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:20               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 17:51   ` Jean Louis
2022-02-19 17:56     ` Samuel Banya
2022-02-19 18:06       ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-19 22:48         ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:17           ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-21  5:51             ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 14:03               ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-21 15:22                 ` DragonFlyBSD Samuel Banya
2022-02-21 18:18                   ` DragonFlyBSD Jean Louis
2022-02-26 16:54                     ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-26 16:49                   ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-26 16:45                 ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  2:53                   ` DragonFlyBSD Samuel Banya
2022-02-27  2:59                     ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 19:49               ` DragonFlyBSD Lele Gaifax
2022-02-26 16:55                 ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 20:33                   ` DragonFlyBSD Lele Gaifax
2022-03-01 22:08                     ` DragonFlyBSD Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-02  7:19                       ` DragonFlyBSD Lele Gaifax
2022-03-02 19:44                         ` DEOL: Declarative Emacs On-Line (was: Re: DragonFlyBSD) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-03  7:14                           ` DEOL: Declarative Emacs On-Line Lele Gaifax
2022-03-04  2:28                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 22:44       ` Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:42         ` Purposes of BSD-like systems Jean Louis
2022-02-20 12:56           ` Po Lu
2022-02-21  4:41           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21  9:50             ` andrew
2022-02-26 16:41               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 14:04             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-26 16:39               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 18:08     ` Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 19:30       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-19 19:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 22:55           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20  0:40           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 12:21           ` Why is GNU not Unix-like system? Jean Louis
2022-02-20 13:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-19 19:35       ` Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Jean Louis
2022-02-19 23:02         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 22:52       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 22:29     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-19 23:50       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-02-20  0:21         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20  0:31           ` Drew Adams
2022-02-20  6:49           ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-20 11:16             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-21  6:31               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:11                 ` Lumpers & Splitter Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:01                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 23:12             ` [External] : Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Drew Adams
2022-02-21  6:32               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21 16:10                 ` Drew Adams
2022-02-27  1:15                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:12                 ` Lumpers & Splitter Jean Louis
2022-02-27  0:55                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 11:09           ` [External] : Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Jean Louis
2022-02-21  6:28             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-21  6:50               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:24                 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:02                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-22 14:22               ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:09                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  1:10                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  1:12                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-20 10:59         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-20 10:55       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  1:22         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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