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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs> List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125611 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/125611> Well, you are welcome to contribute and make Emacs the best application in = the world. -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> Datum: 2020-11-27 03:20 (GMT+01:00) Till: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com> Kopia: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:57 AM > From: "arthur miller" <arthur.miller@live.com> > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracl= e.com> > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> > Subject: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments > > Yes, Emacs terminology is old. I dislike killing stuff, reminds me of war= , I never heard word yank before I start using and font locking sounds lik= e I am in a prison. But if you can go past few names, Emacs is quite useful= piece of software. Probably the most advanced terminal emulator I have eve= r used, and it even has a text editor built in. Sure, I spend much of my time in emacs. But there is much more work to do = on it to became really good and quick to code in elisp, > And nowadays it can swap more than 8 meg of ram too! > > > -------- Originalmeddelande -------- > Fr=E5n: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> > Datum: 2020-11-27 01:48 (GMT+01:00) > Till: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> > Kopia: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > =C4mne: Re: RE: Auto Fill Comments > > The manuals should be rewritten because they are incomprehensible. > Perhaps it was good in the eighties. It continues forever. Consider > "face customisation" for instance, which just means font. Nobody > fuckin reads a manual with 17 nodes. You don't know which one to use, > which commands are most useful, and so on. The problem gets compounded > because every esoteric command is there. > > You are just insisting on something bad and inefficient. > > > --------------------- > Christopher Dimech > General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) > - Geophysical Simulation > - Geological Subsurface Mapping > - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation > - Natural Resource Exploration and Production > - Free Software Advocacy > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:51 PM > > From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> > > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, tomas@tuxteam.de > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > Subject: RE: Auto Fill Comments > > > > > Had thought that setq was actually a global > > > thing, not local. For local variables I was > > > using "let" and "let*", but that seems a > > > wrong understanding. > > > > Please read the manual, node `Variables', as > > Tomas advised. But don't just skim it. And > > read its (5) subnodes. > > > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Variables.htm= l > > > > As seems to be the case with many of your > > questions, this is all explained clearly in > > the Emacs doc. > > > > There are local variables and ... local > > variables. Variables bound by `let', > > `lambda', and named functions (formal > > parameters) are typically local in more or > > less the usual programming sense. > > > > [But if such a variable is in fact defined > > as "special", or global if you prefer, > > then a `let' binding of it is "local" to > > the _duration_ of the `let' - the binding > > is _temporary_. E.g., (defvar foo 42) > > followed by (let ((foo 24)) ...) may > > (depending on the context) bind global > > variable `foo' temporarily to 24.] > > > > Buffer-local and file-local variables are > > something else altogether. They are global > > variables that have a value that is specific > > to - local in scope to - the current buffer > > or file. Some variables have a buffer-local > > value in some buffers but only a global > > value in other buffers (no buffer-local > > value there). Other variables are always > > only buffer-local. > > > > But again, don't listen to my explanation. > > Consult the doc instead. It's more exact, > > more complete, and better presented > > (clearer). > > > > And when you've read what the Emacs manual > > has to tell you about variables, consider > > reading what the Elisp manual has to say > > about variables. There too, start with its > > node `Variables', and move on to its (17!) > > subnodes. > > > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Variables.htm= l > > > > You don't do yourself any favors, or > > encourage help in forums such as this, by > > not trying to make use of the doc. > > > > The doc is the result of years of effort > > and collaboration, taking into account > > tons of feedback by users of all sorts. > > You're not special - try benefitting from > > the efforts of those who've gone before. > > THEN, if you have a question, please do > > ask it. > > > > HTH. > > > >