From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20201126160013.GD28931@tuxteam.de> <20201126182734.GA5175@tuxteam.de> <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9316"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Christopher Dimech , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 17:43:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kigq1-00020w-0B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR04-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125668 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > * Arthur Miller [2020-11-27 11:52]: >> I already hinted you that you could hire a professional writer to clean >> the swamp for you. Why do you think I told you that? :D >> >> Nobody here works for you. Not Eli, nor everybody else. >> >> Believe me, Emacs documentation is not the problem. You maybe are >> writer, but you are certainly not a programmer; otherwise you wouldn't >> ask how to start a Java application :-). We all have strengths and >> weaknesses; your strength is obviously not programming. Nothing shame in >> that, not everybody has to be a programmer. > > Why not, people learn languages and there are programmers coming from > other language, switching languages, they know in one language > majority of things and not in the new language. > > In general, there is nothing wrong in asking. It is better that we > give incentives here to ask any questions by anybody regardless if > programmers or not programmers. > > If any person is configuring ~/.emacs or init.el then they are > becoming programmers it is progress and is good encouraging progress. > > How many programming languages there are? I hope that definition of > programmer will not change through time that it requires multiple > programming languages or being paid for the work. Many children today > are programmers, I would not call them not programmer if they do not > know Java but they know how to instruct Lego robot. Yeah sure; I agree; I just answered him myself; I did not mean always. It is not always problem in user; manual can be written badly too, or lacking information etc. I ask myself sometimes. By being a programmer I don't mean by having an academic degree as a programmer; nowadays or in future more and more people will be programmers by necessity rather then active choice. But when has to realize when one is not good at particular thing, and not blame the outside world. There is nothing shameless in that. I am not good in Lisp programming; I learned it through hacking init file, and I am not good at Emacs internals, I don't have time to sitt hours and go through all if-defs and thousands of lines of lisp. I wish I did. But when I don't know how to do something, I ask, and if they tell me I don't understand it or have missed it, I don't tell them they manual sux or code is horribly structured. Sometimes error is in our selves, in this case, Dimech is probably not used to read the technical manuals and that's not more. Have you red The Glass Bead Game by Hesse? When people are out of context, with other words, when we are talking of things we are not experts in, we should take care, because we are not necessarily good at one thing just because we are good at others. That is typical fallacy when people are experts in one subject, get publicity, and then feel urge to speak about subjects they are not experts in. It is especially seen today when "influencers" who are (usually) experts in good looking, are asked about all kind of comments, advices and how-to in diverse magazines, programs etc.