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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR06-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126031 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > In that case, you asked the wrong question. > That answer, which I guess is what you were > really looking for, is about using a _prefix > key_, not a modifier key. Completely > different animal. > ___ I don't think he asked the wrong question. I understood implicitly he is asking how to "relieve" his Super key. He was looking for "a solution", not "the solution"; so he couldn't expressed himself in exactly precise terms either. > And yes, prefix keys are wonderful. When > bound to keymaps they also let you easily move > whole sets of commands/keys around as units. > E.g.: A library can identify a set of commands > that belong together in UI terms, by putting > them on a keymap. And it can put that keymap > (optionally, i.e., under user control) on a > given prefix key by default. But a user can > easily move that whole set of commands and > their bindings from the default prefix key to > another prefix key. Indeed, remapping keys is a very nice feature!