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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'rusi'" <rustompmody@gmail.com>, <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Issues with emacs
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ABE516B22F98434C855958F452758D8E@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eb39fdb6-8a12-4426-b149-4861b4b26f23@km7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>

> In those days it was completely natural to expect that somebody who
> used a computer read a manual.  Today thats a strange requirement
> to say the least.

And in those days more computer users programmed computers.  "Using a computer"
does not mean quite the same thing now, in general.

> Would a modern kid using a new phone/car expect to read a manual? The
> fact is they dont (whereas oldies like me struggle to find them :-) )

:-D  Indeed we do.

> And so you give them emacs along with a manual and they look at you
> funny.

Or as Henry Corentin put it here, "I don't want to spend time reading and
understanding how emacs works, through pages of documentation (even if it is
well written)!"

Giving the tendency you describe as a reason, there is some argument in the
technical documentation world to de-emphasize in-depth doc and instead emphasize
support for so-called "information snacking".  Tweet-doc, so to speak.

The argument is not just that users now want instant, short help (which would be
an addition, a plus), but that they do not, will not, or cannot read.

Or even that they do not need to or want to understand how something works.
Task-oriented doc can be aligned to this.  Instead of conceptual explanation of
how something works, provide (only) a list of common user tasks.

Did I hear "Gag!?"  On n'arrete pas le progres...

A propos, there was a program on (US) PBS recently about multi-tasking, and one
of the studies indicated that students nowadays (again, in the US) were still
writing more or less coherent paragraphs, but often those paragraphs were
unrelated - there was no overall coherent argument or thread in the student
compositions.  It was as if a single paragraph was the only degree of
composition they would or could muster.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-24 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.2952.1339986753.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-18  3:22 ` Emacs users a dying breed? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18  9:32   ` djc
2012-06-18 10:25     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 17:09     ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-21 15:27 ` rusi
2012-06-22  6:19   ` Tom
2012-06-22  8:45     ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22  9:40       ` Tom
2012-06-22 11:07         ` Bastien
2012-06-22 11:16           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 23:19             ` James Freer
2012-06-25  7:23               ` give emacs --daemon / emacsclient a try (was: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?) Gregor Zattler
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3407.1340581002.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  2:58               ` Emacs for writers (was " rusi
2012-06-25  9:38                 ` James Freer
2012-06-26 21:47                   ` James Freer
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3534.1340747277.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27  3:41                     ` rusi
2012-06-22 13:13           ` Emacs users a dying breed? Tom
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3233.1340370922.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 14:12             ` Jay Belanger
2012-06-22 15:02               ` Tom
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3245.1340377350.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 18:25                 ` John Bokma
2012-06-22 11:17         ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22 12:03           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 12:21             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-22 13:04               ` Jonathan Groll
2012-06-23 11:33                 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:05                   ` Teemu Likonen
2012-06-23 12:35                     ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-23 13:53                       ` S Boucher
2012-06-23 12:37                     ` suvayu ali
2012-06-25 19:00                   ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-23 14:02               ` S Boucher
2012-06-22 12:46             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-22 13:27               ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 13:45               ` Doug Lewan
2012-06-22 13:09           ` Tom
2012-07-02 11:36             ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2012-06-22 15:08 ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) rusi
2012-06-22 15:26   ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-23  2:28     ` rusi
2012-06-23  9:47       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-22 16:41   ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Drew Adams
2012-06-22 18:01     ` Bastien
2012-06-23 20:04       ` Tom
2012-06-24 11:38         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-06-24 14:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25 19:23           ` Ludwig, Mark
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3361.1340537904.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 13:52           ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3330.1340481863.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-23 23:49         ` Dan Espen
2012-06-24  1:24           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-24  2:39           ` ken
2012-06-25 18:02             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26  3:03               ` becoming a developer [was: Re: Issues with emacs] ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3485.1340679833.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26  3:23                 ` rusi
     [not found]                   ` <CAPyVhy_fL3KLrNzqOMbg69UqUMAKPmXbbu7gVYQcK+KiML44hA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CAJ+Teof7T6qXdztq_Pjh+S8gVXQV-ToYJ6EQrPNYQAumn_aDOA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-06-27 13:38                       ` antoine no
2012-06-27 17:44                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2012-06-26 12:29                 ` becoming a lisp developer Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:36                   ` ken
2012-06-27 16:12                     ` PJ Weisberg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3561.1340811384.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27 16:09                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3455.1340647361.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25 18:40               ` Issues with emacs notbob
2012-06-25 19:05                 ` Glyn Millington
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3348.1340505598.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24  6:39             ` rusi
2012-06-24  7:01               ` Corentin Henry
2012-06-24  7:55                 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 17:38                     ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 18:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3355.1340524541.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:17                   ` notbob
2012-06-24 13:24                     ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 14:42                       ` Yuri Khan
2012-06-24 15:08                       ` Gregory Benjamin
2012-06-25 19:26                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 16:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-25 19:25                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 13:36                     ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.3362.1340544276.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 14:03                       ` notbob
2012-06-24 16:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 10:14               ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 14:18                 ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 15:41                   ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 16:07                     ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 16:48                       ` Rainer M Krug
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3354.1340521292.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:15                 ` notbob
2012-06-24 14:02               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2012-06-25  3:54               ` ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3424.1340596458.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  5:51                 ` rusi
2012-06-25  7:45                   ` Helmut Eller
2012-06-25  8:57                     ` Tom
2012-06-25 21:24                       ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-26  5:50                         ` Tom
2012-06-26 20:08                           ` Jeremiah Dodds
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3486.1340689846.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 13:29                           ` notbob
2012-06-26 17:47                             ` Dustin Hemmerling
2012-06-26 18:13                             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26 18:32                             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-28 12:14                               ` Tom
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3520.1340735564.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 19:28                               ` notbob
2012-06-26 19:49                                 ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-06-26 19:52                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:49                                   ` PJ Weisberg
2012-06-28  2:09                                     ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.3523.1340740164.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 20:13                                   ` notbob
2012-06-26 23:57                             ` John Wiegley
2012-06-27  9:23                               ` temacs Jambunathan K
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-06-28  2:40                                   ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-06-28  8:49                                     ` temacs Bastien
2012-06-29 19:37                                       ` temacs Ken Goldman
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.3732.1340998682.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-30  3:51                                         ` temacs rusi
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs suvayu ali
2012-06-27 16:24                                   ` temacs Alp Aker
2012-06-27 19:57                                     ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-07-05  4:14                                 ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-05 12:46                                   ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-07 16:51                                     ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-07 17:20                                       ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-27 15:48                             ` Issues with emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-06-26  3:08                     ` rusi
2012-06-26  8:35                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-27  5:54                   ` MBR
2012-06-26 18:03             ` Bug Dout
2012-06-25  2:43       ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Ugly Sean

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