From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Perry Smith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93098 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_0B49E2D6-E72A-4DAB-A3CF-9589F57F1B0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto = wrote: > http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=3Demacs editor,eclipse ide >=20 > Since 2004 Eclipse (Emac's primary competiton for my use case) has = lost some > 71% of its "trendiness" according to Google. But Emacs has lost more, > dropping from 25 to 4 (84% less). >=20 > Does this Google Trends graph reflect reality? >=20 > I am worried because I have personally met only one other Emacs user = (not > counting people I only talked to via the Internet). Of course, = popularity is > far from the only criteria, I don't have to obey fashion (if I did, I = wouldn't > be using GNU/Linux). But I do want my development environment to be > reasonably active, improving and well supported. Can I reasonably = trust Emacs > to be active and improving by 2018? At least as a LaTeX editor, IDE = for C++, > Python, Javascript and Java, and general text editor. >=20 > Thank you for your attention. Sorry for any bad English, I am = Brazilian. I've used GNU emacs since it was first released. =46rom my own personal = perspective, there was a time -- seems like version 18? where it got stuck for a very = long time. Version 22 came out it appears in 2007, 23 came out in 2009. Now 24 = came out in 2012. To me, the pace of change has picked up substantially relative = to 1995 to 2000 -- but I'm just basing that off of my gut feel recollections. giggle... I just noticed that Google's trend starts in 2005... thats = really funny. =20 I guess that is a "trend". But Emacs isn't trendy. Emacs is old school. Very old school with the ability to drive real = tty's over 300 baud modems with spectacular efficiency. Its on X11, windows, and = Mac. Folks have added emacs key mappings inside browsers and countless other tools. Indeed... I bet Eclipse had an emacs key binding option in it. If you use emacs, you love it. If you don't, you hate it. That may = explain the=20 lack of searches. Those who know it, already know it. And those who = don't=20 are not looking for it. I just don't see it dying off. Things like TextMate come and will = probably fade away long before emacs dies. And... its 100% open source and free. Emacs is the original open source = GNU release that Richard developed and deployed and eventually became the genesis of FSF. You are *almost* asking will FSF be around forever -- = which is also *almost* like asking if Linux will be around forever. I'm = thinkings its a pretty safe bet that it will be around my entire lifetime and probably = yours as well. Perry --Apple-Mail=_0B49E2D6-E72A-4DAB-A3CF-9589F57F1B0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSG+1WAAoJEIPoMwNgGirla9EH+wbXH8Q+kL5CjC7EbR/pGnw1 yh5Odm5E449W3p6fLWKP1Fqlg5akNBPYbmCY8SJYuGafj5HwWP7BOSDdkHuwzohl U7KHCrq/def/9GVNDKx6hev025FF98OAMDTlu/6V8mmT8Tb26B0ITh8eoz8F81jc rLHLZTyN4cXTCu47jUghliQPgnwGI3GcYNVGUTn1L382BorNrYb713SuwQZwWVTR ssYsnH1ClxR0SlczQ3q72rBgvVbEODR+/cJ0bg++os5JAa2bCIZ8lIZDxJY71giA zi904Ja3uqjQAWPmRTJ6Dfa0YWrXn2cZiB/ArFScYQ+iTrw58/vJOy1z3f/lwpM= =GA8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_0B49E2D6-E72A-4DAB-A3CF-9589F57F1B0F--