From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs, oldsters, newbiness Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:05:34 -0600 Message-ID: <9abbd5730811041005w60e41692y36346776abd6e4dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <251d6b72-b760-411b-8c35-83a7788e2491@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <7343b66f-7262-466c-8975-9774dce22d88@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <7bddb878-9f4c-4140-827c-83cd29c96e5f@l77g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <372adbcc-d97b-453c-8ddc-3a7f1abb0b23@l62g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <87tzb26y7p.fsf@gmail.com> <87hc6z6nmp.fsf@gmail.com> <200810302325.m9UNP7JI012589@zogzog.maillard.mobi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225822124 6778 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 18:08:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Paul R To: "Xavier Maillard" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 19:09:46 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxQLX-0007Qz-UX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:09:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43817 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxQKR-0005Ed-0R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:08:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxQHa-00044x-Jj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxQHa-00044d-3B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50466 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxQHZ-00044K-IR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:05:37 -0500 Original-Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.153]:3898) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxQHY-00016S-IT; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:05:36 -0500 Original-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so1252739yxf.66 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:05:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XsuZrX2lPeTAGjFQidSQTZwLhqwctw86uGmDAapuoNU=; b=o1K4GR8lb5hpAG5CZtZ9PBbTcq6frGHos5dr8h1PYRxGNrPCsPBqLhZXIPCnScX66q XXri9w+OplUSvd06Wxy4I9GlK0wRtn/jV3k/jRKbmbPXVw+RS3aWUvAgnX2JRn7f2BF2 RfKGcBM3pHuvuzHC7UDVzgQcoILpSq+Hs1aJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sAMc5YQs3LZbGbsadiBhKXx2gHEKRAS/HLweJrIf2mim6UZ89LVUOrOXsFMOATBWeq l/hYw4rvC3dezwpJZXdYe2TXrE3TRL5NnV/dGrWTy9FVjmllvw/Kh84tSPT/PyRl7BP0 gVffHpYPccW+pD745tcq0Pvk+tSgX/5DVuRYQ= Original-Received: by 10.90.120.17 with SMTP id s17mr1326631agc.101.1225821934766; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:05:34 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.90.82.15 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:05:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200810302325.m9UNP7JI012589@zogzog.maillard.mobi> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59442 Archived-At: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Xavier Maillard wrote: > EmacsWiki ----> Online emacs documentation portal ----> Emacs Info > > I pretty like this idea. We would have to get tag support in > emacswiki to ease information retrieval process. I hope we could > make this happen with the help of the emacswiki community. Tag support could be added to the wiki. I think a "forward index" would be even better, though. Currently our category pages work as such. They work just like menu pages for texinfo, and therefore it would be easy to translate a subset of pages into a texinfo fragment. In fact, many years ago, I had a script that translated the entire Emacs Wiki into a texinfo document. Eventually, however, I decided that it wasn't worth the effort to maintain. If you think otherwise, we could resurrect that piece of code. Part of the problem is that the code needs to write a wiki to texinfo rule for every wiki to HTML rule it has, and the wiki engine used allows users to plug in an unlimited amount of new rules. Before doing all that work, I would therefore like to get a pretty good idea of how useful this effort is. How would integration into Emacs itself work? What does emacs-devel say to this? Who will be responsible for maintenance? Who will act as a filter? Perhaps we'll have to introduce more tags to indicate which pages not to include (eg. CategoryHomepage?). Who will decided how to deal with images, how about mixed licenses of the resulting product (most text pages are FDL, most code pages are GPL), and so on. I'd love to see these organisational issues answered before writing any actual code. Also, I'll be checking my email rarely these days as I'm travelling in Costa Rica. ;)