From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431364349 21403 80.91.229.3 (11 May 2015 17:12:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:12:29 +0000 (UTC) To: Stefan Monnier , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 19:12:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YrrFY-0000Qk-Fz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:12:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38853 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrrFX-0000VT-Nb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:12:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46321) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrrF7-0000I9-QP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrrF3-0005IZ-Ur for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:11:49 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrrF3-0005IQ-Ou for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:11:45 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t4BHBiI5023475 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 May 2015 17:11:45 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t4BHBi67019013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 May 2015 17:11:44 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t4BHBibP030568; Mon, 11 May 2015 17:11:44 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104392 Archived-At: > > Waste of the student's time, if you ask me. >=20 > You (and the current tutorial) assume that the reader of the > tutorial has decided he's going to use Emacs and wants to figure > out how to use it efficiently. Of course. (Though not necessarily efficiently - just want to learn to use it.) > That's good for that use case. But there are other use cases, such > as someone who's intrigued and wants to "check it out". In that case, > the tutorial should mostly try and showcase what you can do with Emacs. No, those are not use cases for a *tutorial*. Those are use cases for a demo or a user guide or an introduction/overview. A tutorial is about learning by *doing*. In a way, it is an introductory lab exercise.