From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbnhryu26.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.help@gnu.org>
> > Waste of the student's time, if you ask me.
>
> You (and the current tutorial) assume that the reader of the
> tutorial has decided he's going to use Emacs and wants to figure
> out how to use it efficiently.
Of course. (Though not necessarily efficiently - just want to learn
to use it.)
> That's good for that use case. But there are other use cases, such
> as someone who's intrigued and wants to "check it out". In that case,
> the tutorial should mostly try and showcase what you can do with Emacs.
No, those are not use cases for a *tutorial*. Those are use cases for
a demo or a user guide or an introduction/overview.
A tutorial is about learning by *doing*. In a way, it is an
introductory lab exercise.
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2015-05-08 10:06 Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-08 10:36 ` Shakthi Kannan
2015-05-08 10:43 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-08 11:08 ` tomas
2015-05-08 11:18 ` Shakthi Kannan
2015-05-08 19:10 ` Bob Proulx
2015-05-08 19:35 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-10 2:48 ` Bob Proulx
[not found] ` <mailman.2686.1431226098.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-10 3:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-10 14:01 ` Rusi
2015-05-10 14:05 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-11 11:17 ` Phillip Lord
[not found] ` <mailman.2758.1431343034.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-11 11:27 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-10 15:31 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 11:08 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-15 16:15 ` MBR
2015-05-15 18:45 ` Doug Lewan
[not found] ` <mailman.3085.1431715560.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 20:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-16 4:31 ` Yuri Khan
2015-05-18 20:57 ` Bob Proulx
2015-06-25 14:22 ` Ken Goldman
2015-06-26 15:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-26 20:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-26 22:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-27 19:29 ` MBR
2015-06-27 22:48 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5813.1435445379.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-28 3:45 ` Rusi
2015-06-28 14:34 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-28 15:36 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:53 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5747.1435358641.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 3:15 ` Rusi
2015-06-27 5:02 ` Bob Proulx
2015-06-27 8:25 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-27 11:56 ` Robert Thorpe
[not found] ` <mailman.5780.1435406221.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 14:44 ` Rusi
2015-06-27 17:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-27 17:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-29 13:03 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-06-29 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 4:38 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-06-30 23:26 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.6072.1435707010.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-07-01 0:32 ` Dan Espen
2015-06-30 8:10 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-30 23:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 16:56 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-07-01 0:00 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5799.1435427076.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 18:12 ` Rusi
2015-06-27 21:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 22:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 10:56 ` keyboard-macro facility recording commands (Was: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals) Steinar Bang
[not found] ` <mailman.5809.1435442174.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-27 22:06 ` Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-27 22:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-28 14:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-25 14:16 ` Ken Goldman
[not found] ` <mailman.3077.1431706537.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 20:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-08 10:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 13:39 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-08 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 14:38 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 15:09 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-08 15:41 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 21:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-09 10:00 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-10 14:31 ` Steinar Bang
[not found] ` <mailman.2604.1431095644.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-08 14:50 ` Barry Margolin
2015-05-08 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 22:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-09 9:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 9:18 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-09 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-10 6:47 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-10 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 5:30 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-11 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-16 5:50 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-16 7:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-17 15:35 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-17 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-18 2:49 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-18 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-19 5:50 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-19 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-19 16:41 ` Filipp Gunbin
[not found] ` <mailman.3246.1432014638.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-19 23:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-10 2:45 ` Bob Proulx
2015-05-11 10:53 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 16:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 18:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 20:38 ` Marcin Borkowski
[not found] ` <mailman.2820.1431376739.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-12 3:22 ` Rusi
[not found] ` <<83y4kvkrf5.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-05-11 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 17:11 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-05-11 18:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 18:38 ` Drew Adams
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2015-05-12 4:07 ` Rusi
2015-05-12 8:15 ` Rasmus
2015-05-12 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-12 16:55 ` Rusi
2015-05-12 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-13 7:47 ` tomas
2015-05-13 12:10 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-05-13 12:32 ` tomas
2015-05-13 15:24 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-05-13 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-15 2:56 ` Rusi
2015-05-15 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-15 11:12 ` Rusi
2015-05-15 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-15 13:44 ` Phillip Lord
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2015-05-15 14:01 ` Rusi
2015-05-15 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-13 1:09 ` Rusi
2015-05-13 2:20 ` Drew Adams
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2015-05-11 17:27 ` Rusi
2015-05-20 0:21 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-05-08 16:35 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2015-05-09 10:14 ` Vaidheeswaran C
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2015-05-08 13:34 ` notbob
2015-05-08 15:50 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09 9:49 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-09 14:21 ` Jude DaShiell
2015-05-08 19:10 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-09 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 8:07 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-09 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 17:34 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-11 11:02 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 17:20 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<87k2wfl6mo.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk>
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2015-05-11 17:11 ` Drew Adams
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2015-05-09 22:59 ` Emanuel Berg
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