From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <97a8ff74-599a-49f2-914f-acc11547022a@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com> References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <87fxd1iy86.fsf@iki.fi> <6a088d78-bfa1-46aa-bf87-6efe4d875739@n30g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <874oth3se0.fsf@iki.fi> <76036640-c499-482c-81c0-9e0cb325e96a@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <87r5wk3o87.fsf@iki.fi> <87vdlwloau.fsf@mundaneum.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247586057 2072 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2009 15:40:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:40:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 17:40:50 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQk7d-0003dW-Nj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:40:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36183 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQk7d-0004WL-4H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:40:49 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.235.205.153 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247584054 16002 127.0.0.1 (14 Jul 2009 15:07:34 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.235.205.153; posting-account=ekTE0goAAADiVCThPmo4ph0C5bTUhQOx User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009061118 Fedora/3.0.11-1.fc10 Firefox/3.0.11, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:170867 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66064 Archived-At: On 13 juil, 15:12, S=E9bastien Vauban wrote: > Francis Moreau wrote: > > On Jul 13, 11:51=A0am, Teemu Likonen wrote: > >> On 2009-07-13 02:16 (-0700), Francis Moreau wrote: > >>> On Jul 13, 10:21=A0am, Teemu Likonen wrote: > >>>> OK, then it's probably me who fails to understand why do you keep ta= lking > >>>> about "M-x shell" when you need a terminal. This "page-at-a-time" fe= ature > >>>> comes with terminal emulation. There's no need to make "M-x shell" a= real > >>>> terminal because there already is one: "M-x term". > > > Damn, I repeat one more time: I don't want "| less" or less(1) work in = "M-x > > shell" (hope this is clear now) > > Just one (real) question: what's the advantage of `M-x shell'? I understa= nd > `M-x term' allows for full-blown terminal emulation, but can we use it ev= ery > time we were going to use `M-x shell'? This one has already been asked before just look at: <76036640-c499-482c-81c0-9e0cb325e96a@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> > > Or are there some things `M-x term' can't do while `M-x shell' can? > Actually you can read this in the emacs info pages: "In line mode, Term basically acts like Shell mode". The problem here is the word 'basically' which probably means 'almost'. So they differ in the details. In my case, I started to use 'M-x shell', and like it since I almost never have to use applications that need a real term emulation. But if you look at them (M-x term and M-x shell) carefully, then 'M-x term' has some weird behaviours when using the shell mode key bindings; try for instance: 'C-c C-e', 'C-c C-a', 'C-c C-o'... but as I said they're details. But the main problem I think, which is a different issue, is why the hell Emacs has 2 functionalities that do 'basically' the same thing ?! Why can't it offer one and only one package that give the best of the 2 worlds ?