From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Belliveau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: <96B116FC-8007-4C42-9AE6-585530D0C76E@comcast.net> References: <08AC8151-5911-40FA-8B20-818B839D00AB@traduction-libre.org> <86h892nk2g.fsf@zoho.eu> <9379C01B-80E3-49DD-B830-46CED773DC2C@traduction-libre.org> <83lfydrkde.fsf@gnu.org> <874l51q0s4.fsf@telefonica.net> <83ef45rdij.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhmto6fa.fsf@telefonica.net> <20190607163017.GA32029@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="153937"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 08 02:18:39 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hZP4A-000dpS-9L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2019 02:18:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54528 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hZP47-0001St-Ox for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:18:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51992) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hZP3N-0001QM-KG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:17:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hZOrj-0006WC-8J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:05:48 -0400 Original-Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:40]:60302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hZOrj-0006Ux-20 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.105]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id ZOE0hlDUsmLM0ZOrghzJuw; Sat, 08 Jun 2019 00:05:44 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1559952344; bh=L022IjG514lXgF8zsAKY0HNB5zjtSsbrltf4JkUtQJc=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=KeXRzeZRKU7EtYuDwmhClz8XLYMFVSzLcGsIHLLbZDFfZcd25CK+vpQVZSqAIihul zJyzCgk0dHht4hCgp0cdbhX6GOx5g1ExXomAl7p0NhA04CVkxhZ0UhkQuL811F7aNC Jhny81hIZ0sryMol6jdtElx9TJF4FY5WE0cfxjkuOAwaGXuoMisFXnFhHcvI0BxrcL Hp/HX5W94VWOg5KvU5NArqwyHZuDxLua7AyfmqN7EJS8zjIjW8o2LE5uAgNlPWMIG5 Nbm/J81a166ljvfr0EZgt03nmC+ShbHQMTSybWSoaloSm9b+rBsdwgOktvST8MeoOT eo8bBN9AStliA== Original-Received: from [IPv6:2601:190:580:9c44:4c6d:b944:e68d:a309] ([IPv6:2601:190:580:9c44:4c6d:b944:e68d:a309]) by resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id ZOrdh5DKwBtVaZOreh3NqD; Sat, 08 Jun 2019 00:05:43 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0;st=legit In-Reply-To: <20190607163017.GA32029@tuxteam.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:40 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120823 Archived-At: I think that a lot of you are missing the point that was made early on = in the discussion. This mapping of ASCII cntrol characters is a = definition made by convention since the day of the Teletype machines. = It is how the ASCII character set was defined. Some OS/driver implementations may hide it entirely from the application = at the keyboard driver level. When that it the case there would be no = way for emacs to tell the difference between the C-[ and ESC keys = because the OS-level keyboard driver sends the same code for both. = Think of these as synonyms. If you are having trouble, the problem may be at that level or possibly = in the "term-caps" definition in use. Personally, I use C-i, C-[ as often as I use the backspace/delete and = meta or escape keys. It it just a matter of what is easier to use based = on where my fingers, or what other keys I need to hit, are at the time. Good Luck, Fran > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:30, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 03:45:29PM +0200, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: >=20 > [...] >=20 >> One thing that I'll like to know is why the hard restriction about >> C-[/C-i exists at all. >=20 > As we've found out, it's not a hard restriction. Just a strong > suggestion. > [...] > Cheers > -- tom=C3=A1s