one key is beeping - don't know why...

one key is beeping - don't know why...

[upro]

HI there,

I've asked this question some time ago - no answer and I havenÄt
solved the issue either...

Whenever I hit the AltGr key within emacs it beeps. AltGr does not
beep in other programs, and it did not beep prior to upgrading to
Slackware 9.0 (from 8.1). I have no clue what happened...

Glad for any advice or hint...



-- 
Michael

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Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[Kevin Rodgers]

upro wrote:

> Whenever I hit the AltGr key within emacs it beeps. AltGr does not
> beep in other programs, and it did not beep prior to upgrading to
> Slackware 9.0 (from 8.1). I have no clue what happened...

1. What does it do?  Try typing `C-h k AltGr' and note the message in

    the echo area (or the *Help* buffer, if the key is actually bound);

   then type `C-h l' and note the contents of the *Help* buffer.


2. What do you want it to do?

-- 
Kevin Rodgers

Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[upro]

Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:

> upro wrote:
>
>> Whenever I hit the AltGr key within emacs it beeps. AltGr does not
>> beep in other programs, and it did not beep prior to upgrading to
>> Slackware 9.0 (from 8.1). I have no clue what happened...
>
> 1. What does it do?  Try typing `C-h k AltGr' and note the message in
>
>     the echo area (or the *Help* buffer, if the key is actually bound);
THe key apparently is not nbound. The minibuffer says: <key-3> is
undefined. 
>
>    then type `C-h l' and note the contents of the *Help* buffer.
Lossage also says <key-3>. I had already tried that.
>
>
> 2. What do you want it to do?
I need t to type parentheses like []{}, or the tilde etc. (I have a
German keyboard layout).

The beeping bothers enourmously, since it implies an error. The
character is actually produced, but it beeps...

Do you have any idea how to stop that?
Thanks for your help!
-- 
Michael

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Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[Kevin Rodgers]

upro wrote:

 > Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:
 >>upro wrote:
 >>
 >>>Whenever I hit the AltGr key within emacs it beeps. AltGr does not
 >>>beep in other programs, and it did not beep prior to upgrading to
 >>>Slackware 9.0 (from 8.1). I have no clue what happened...
 >>>
 >>1. What does it do?  Try typing `C-h k AltGr' and note the message in
 >>    the echo area (or the *Help* buffer, if the key is actually bound);
 >
 > THe key apparently is not nbound. The minibuffer says: <key-3> is
 > undefined.
 >
 >>   then type `C-h l' and note the contents of the *Help* buffer.
 >
 > Lossage also says <key-3>. I had already tried that.

I think that indicates that your keyboard is sending keysym 3, which is
not being recognized by XKeysymToString (or your configuration did not
#define HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM); see modify_event_symbol() in src/keyboard.c.

 >>2. What do you want it to do?
 >
 > I need t to type parentheses like []{}, or the tilde etc. (I have a
 > German keyboard layout).
 >
 > The beeping bothers enourmously, since it implies an error. The
 > character is actually produced, but it beeps...
 >
 > Do you have any idea how to stop that?

I don't know whether your keyboard is sending the correct keysym, or that
it needs to be configured differently.  If it is sending the correct keysym,
perhaps Emacs needs to be configured for its coding system.  You'll need someone
familiar with your platform and these issues to help you figure that out.

-- 
Kevin Rodgers

Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[upro]

Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:

> upro wrote:
>
>  > Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:
>  >>upro wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>Whenever I hit the AltGr key within emacs it beeps. AltGr does not
>  >>>beep in other programs, and it did not beep prior to upgrading to
>  >>>Slackware 9.0 (from 8.1). I have no clue what happened...
>  >>>
>  >>1. What does it do?  Try typing `C-h k AltGr' and note the message in
>  >>    the echo area (or the *Help* buffer, if the key is actually bound);
>  >
>  > THe key apparently is not nbound. The minibuffer says: <key-3> is
>  > undefined.
>  >
>  >>   then type `C-h l' and note the contents of the *Help* buffer.
>  >
>  > Lossage also says <key-3>. I had already tried that.
>
> I think that indicates that your keyboard is sending keysym 3, which is
> not being recognized by XKeysymToString (or your configuration did not
> #define HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM); see modify_event_symbol() in src/keyboard.c.
>
>  >>2. What do you want it to do?
>  >
>  > I need t to type parentheses like []{}, or the tilde etc. (I have a
>  > German keyboard layout).
>  >
>  > The beeping bothers enourmously, since it implies an error. The
>  > character is actually produced, but it beeps...
>  >
>  > Do you have any idea how to stop that?
>
> I don't know whether your keyboard is sending the correct keysym, or that
> it needs to be configured differently.  If it is sending the correct keysym,
> perhaps Emacs needs to be configured for its coding system.  You'll need someone
> familiar with your platform and these issues to help you figure that out.

Solved! Apparently I had compiled without leim, abd emacs was trying
to use some language environment that was nonexistsnt. Strange,
thuogh, that everything else worked...

thanks for your help!
-- 
Michael

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Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[Clemens Fischer]

* 2003-08-07 upro@gmx.net:

[the mystery of the beeping key]
>>  > Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:
>>  > Lossage also says <key-3>. I had already tried that.
>>
>> I think that indicates that your keyboard is sending keysym 3, which is
>> not being recognized by XKeysymToString (or your configuration did not
>> #define HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM); see modify_event_symbol() in src/keyboard.c.
>
> Solved! Apparently I had compiled without leim, abd emacs was trying
> to use some language environment that was nonexistsnt. Strange,
> thuogh, that everything else worked...

i always thought that leim is needed for non-roman languages.  can an
emacs compiled without leim work, if the language environment is
defined to some roman character- and language set?

  clemens

Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[Kai Grossjohann]

Clemens Fischer <ino-qc@spotteswoode.dnsalias.org> writes:

> i always thought that leim is needed for non-roman languages.

This is wrong: On the one hand, Leim is not needed to type Chinese,
say.  On the other hand, Leim can be useful even for typing Roman
languages.

Leim allows you to input non-ascii characters with an
ascii-only keyboard.  (Well, the ascii-only keyboard also has F1
through F12, usually, so strictly speaking it's a misnomer.)

I don't know exactly what a Roman language is, but let's talk about
Italian as a close approximation.  Leim allows you to enter characters
such as ù and é even if there are no such keys on your keyboard.  So
Leim can be useful even for -- well, is Italian a Roman language?

And then, Leim can be used to type Chinese or Japanese, amongst
others.  I guess these are non-Roman languages.  But you don't *need*
Leim for this: many people have an OS setup for typing Chinese, and
they can use their existing method to type Chinese characters into
Emacs, too, without Leim being used at all.

Does this make sense?

Kai

Re: one key is beeping - don't know why...

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Kai Grossjohann <kai@emptydomain.de>
> Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:12:29 +0000
> 
> This is wrong: On the one hand, Leim is not needed to type Chinese,
> say.  On the other hand, Leim can be useful even for typing Roman
> languages.
> 
> Leim allows you to input non-ascii characters with an
> ascii-only keyboard.

More generally, Leim allows you to type characters that are not
directly supported neither by your keyboard nor by the input methods
built into your OS.