* emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode @ 2008-04-28 10:20 Steinar Bang 2008-04-28 18:23 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-04-28 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs I switched from emacs 21 to 22 yesterday, and emacs 22 seems to not have the iso-accents-mode. My fingers have been trained for over 10 years to use these keyboard bindings. Is there a way to get them into emacs 22? Thanx! - Steinar ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-04-28 10:20 emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode Steinar Bang @ 2008-04-28 18:23 ` Reiner Steib 2008-04-29 10:24 ` Rebecca Breu ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-04-28 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Mon, Apr 28 2008, Steinar Bang wrote: > I switched from emacs 21 to 22 yesterday, | User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Why didn't you upgrade to 22.2? > and emacs 22 seems to not have the iso-accents-mode. > > My fingers have been trained for over 10 years to use these keyboard > bindings. Is there a way to get them into emacs 22? The NEWS file suggests to use input methods instead: ,----[ NEWS | <f1> N ] | *** iso-acc.el is now obsolete. Use one of the latin input methods instead. `---- Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-04-28 18:23 ` Reiner Steib @ 2008-04-29 10:24 ` Rebecca Breu 2008-05-01 15:58 ` Steinar Bang [not found] ` <mailman.11029.1209657546.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Rebecca Breu @ 2008-04-29 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote: > ,----[ NEWS | <f1> N ] > | *** iso-acc.el is now obsolete. Use one of the latin input methods instead. > `---- Use toggle-input-method to enable/disable multilingual input. For me, the default input method was just what I wanted when I searched for a replacement for iso-accents-mode. Cheers, Rebecca ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-04-28 18:23 ` Reiner Steib 2008-04-29 10:24 ` Rebecca Breu @ 2008-05-01 15:58 ` Steinar Bang [not found] ` <mailman.11029.1209657546.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-01 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>: > Why didn't you upgrade to 22.2? Because 22.1 is the one Ubuntu Hardy comes with. > The NEWS file suggests to use input methods instead: > ,----[ NEWS | <f1> N ] >> *** iso-acc.el is now obsolete. Use one of the latin input methods instead. > `---- Ok, thanx. I'll have to figure out what a "latin input method" is, I guess... one of these days, RSN...:-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode [not found] ` <mailman.11029.1209657546.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2008-05-01 20:28 ` harven 2008-05-01 22:01 ` Jason Rumney 2008-05-03 19:45 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: harven @ 2008-05-01 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On May 1, 5:58 pm, Steinar Bang <s...@dod.no> wrote: > >>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gm...@imap.cc>: > > Why didn't you upgrade to 22.2? > > Because 22.1 is the one Ubuntu Hardy comes with. > > > The NEWS file suggests to use input methods instead: > > ,----[ NEWS | <f1> N ] > >> *** iso-acc.el is now obsolete. Use one of the latin input methods instead. > > `---- > > Ok, thanx. I'll have to figure out what a "latin input method" is, I > guess... one of these days, RSN...:-) Put in your .emacs (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") if you want to enter accents with prefix notation e.g. 'e for accented e. Type C-\ to activate/desactivate the input method when you are in a buffer. Or better, specify some language environment in your .emacs e.g. (set-language-environment 'Swedish) The input method will be set accordingly. Type M-x describe-language-environment RET SPC to get a list of all language environments available on your system. Norway doesn't seem to be available on my system though. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-01 20:28 ` harven @ 2008-05-01 22:01 ` Jason Rumney 2008-05-03 19:39 ` Steinar Bang [not found] ` <mailman.11153.1209843595.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2008-05-03 19:45 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2008-05-01 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On May 1, 9:28 pm, harven <har...@free.fr> wrote: > Put in your .emacs > (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") > > Or better, specify some language environment in your .emacs e.g. > (set-language-environment 'Swedish) > The input method will be set accordingly. If you start Emacs in a Norwegian locale, it should automatically load the "Latin-1" language environment (a generic environment for those Western European languages that do not have their own language environment). The default input method in that environment is latin-1 prefix, so all the OP should need to do is hit C-\ to switch it on. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-01 22:01 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-05-03 19:39 ` Steinar Bang [not found] ` <mailman.11153.1209843595.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-03 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> Jason Rumney <jasonrumney@gmail.com>: > If you start Emacs in a Norwegian locale, Hm... it's in a US locale, with Norwegian keyboard settings, Norwegian time and a lot of other Norwegian settings. (I really hate having menus in Norwegian, because it makes it hard to search for problems, and describe problems) > it should automatically load the "Latin-1" language environment (a > generic environment for those Western European languages that do not > have their own language environment). The default input method in that > environment is latin-1 prefix, so all the OP should need to do is hit > C-\ to switch it on. Hm... the behaviour I'm actually looking for, is the one I had with iso-accents-mode, which is the ability to type the accents I don't have, for certain modes. I put it into the text-mode-hook, which meant I got iso-accents mode on in - text mode - the SGML/XML/HTML modes I've used (psgml, nxml) - mail and news - version control checkin messages But not in places like eg. c-mode. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode [not found] ` <mailman.11153.1209843595.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2008-05-03 21:18 ` Jason Rumney 2008-05-04 10:57 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2008-05-03 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On May 3, 8:39 pm, Steinar Bang <s...@dod.no> wrote: > Hm... it's in a US locale, with Norwegian keyboard settings, Norwegian > time and a lot of other Norwegian settings. In that case (set-language-environment "Latin-1") in your .emacs will set up a lot of useful defaults. Emacs doesn't have localised menus, so that shouldn't cause you any problems. > Hm... the behaviour I'm actually looking for, is the one I had with > iso-accents-mode, which is the ability to type the accents I don't have, > for certain modes. > > I put it into the text-mode-hook, which meant I got iso-accents mode on Then the equivalent will probably be: (add-hook 'text-mode-hook (lambda () (set-input-method 'latin-1- prefix))) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-03 21:18 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-05-04 10:57 ` Reiner Steib 2008-05-21 11:49 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-05-04 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Sat, May 03 2008, Jason Rumney wrote: > On May 3, 8:39 pm, Steinar Bang <s...@dod.no> wrote: > >> Hm... it's in a US locale, with Norwegian keyboard settings, Norwegian >> time and a lot of other Norwegian settings. > > In that case (set-language-environment "Latin-1") in your .emacs will > set up a lot of useful defaults. In case Steinar uses en_US.UTF-8 this might not be what he wants. > Emacs doesn't have localised menus, so that shouldn't cause you any > problems. > >> Hm... the behaviour I'm actually looking for, is the one I had with >> iso-accents-mode, which is the ability to type the accents I don't have, >> for certain modes. >> >> I put it into the text-mode-hook, which meant I got iso-accents mode on > > Then the equivalent will probably be: > > (add-hook 'text-mode-hook (lambda () (set-input-method 'latin-1- > prefix))) FWIW, there's also norwegian-postfix input method, which might me less intrusive than a full-blown latin method: ,----[ M-x describe-input-method RET norwegian-postfix RET ] | Input method: norwegian-postfix (mode line indicator:NO<) | | Norwegian (Norsk) input method (rule: AE->Æ OE->Ø AA->Å E'->É) | | Doubling the postfix separates the letter and postfix: e.g. aee -> ae | | | KEY SEQUENCE | ----------- | You can input characters by the following key sequences: | key char [type a key sequence to insert the corresponding character] | --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- --- ---- | AA Å AE Æ E' É OE Ø aa å ae æ e' é oe ø `---- Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-04 10:57 ` Reiner Steib @ 2008-05-21 11:49 ` Steinar Bang 2008-05-21 16:53 ` Peter Dyballa 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-21 11:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>: > On Sat, May 03 2008, Jason Rumney wrote: >> On May 3, 8:39 pm, Steinar Bang <s...@dod.no> wrote: >>> Hm... it's in a US locale, with Norwegian keyboard settings, Norwegian >>> time and a lot of other Norwegian settings. >> In that case (set-language-environment "Latin-1") in your .emacs will >> set up a lot of useful defaults. > In case Steinar uses en_US.UTF-8 this might not be what he wants. Hm... /etc/default/locale has the following content LANG="en_US.UTF-8" So I guess that's what I have. > FWIW, there's also norwegian-postfix input method, which might me less > intrusive than a full-blown latin method: Actually I have the norwegian characters on my keyboard. What I miss most, are the ones I didn't have on my keyboard that the latin mode provided (the a and o umlaut, the degree sign etc.). I had a look at the swedish-postfix method, but the character combinations used would be too intrusive, I think. The "o to get an umlaut, and the // to get a degree sign, are "programmed" into my fingers, and I find myself typing them, and being disappointed when the expected thing doesn't happen...:-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-21 11:49 ` Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-21 16:53 ` Peter Dyballa 2008-05-21 17:19 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Peter Dyballa @ 2008-05-21 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steinar Bang; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Am 21.05.2008 um 13:49 schrieb Steinar Bang: > Hm... /etc/default/locale has the following content > LANG="en_US.UTF-8" > > So I guess that's what I have. Don't guess (that's OK in politics or quiz shows), check it: env | egrep '^L(ANG|C_)' -- Greetings Pete To drink without thirst and to make love all the time, madam, it is only these which distinguish us from the other beasts. – Beaumarchais ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-21 16:53 ` Peter Dyballa @ 2008-05-21 17:19 ` Steinar Bang 2008-05-21 17:48 ` Peter Dyballa 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-21 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>: > Don't guess (that's OK in politics or quiz shows), check it: > env | egrep '^L(ANG|C_)' Don't guess that all systems put their locale settings into the environment. That's OK in politics and quiz shows. Don't assume that someone hasn't already grepped and found nothing, not stopped at that, and then used locate and grep to find out where their system _actually_ put the locale settings, and then used careful wording, since someone didn't have time to verify this. Assumptions are OK in... ach... never mind. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-21 17:19 ` Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-21 17:48 ` Peter Dyballa 2008-05-21 18:01 ` Steinar Bang [not found] ` <mailman.11975.1211392969.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Peter Dyballa @ 2008-05-21 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steinar Bang; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Am 21.05.2008 um 19:19 schrieb Steinar Bang: > Don't guess that all systems put their locale settings into the > environment. If they don't put them, they 're useless. -- Greetings Pete The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for « entrepreneur ». – George W. Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-21 17:48 ` Peter Dyballa @ 2008-05-21 18:01 ` Steinar Bang 2008-05-21 18:12 ` Peter Dyballa 2008-05-21 19:12 ` Reiner Steib [not found] ` <mailman.11975.1211392969.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-21 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>: > If they don't put them, they 're useless. I was going to say that "if the locale utils don't pick them up, they are useless", but it looks like you may be right. The locale(1) utility does not pick them up: $ locale LANG= LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL= However, there is a setting called GDM_LANG: $ env | grep LANG GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8 Maybe the Ubuntu locale setting is Gnome specific? If so, it shouldn't affect GNU emacs...? Or will it, since I'm using Emacs22-GTk, ie. the GTk-based Emacs...? Thanx! - Steinar ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-21 18:01 ` Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-21 18:12 ` Peter Dyballa 2008-05-21 19:12 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Peter Dyballa @ 2008-05-21 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steinar Bang; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Am 21.05.2008 um 20:01 schrieb Steinar Bang: > Maybe the Ubuntu locale setting is Gnome specific? If so, it > shouldn't > affect GNU emacs...? > > Or will it, since I'm using Emacs22-GTk, ie. the GTk-based Emacs...? Look into the code Ubuntu Emacs! As a Debian release your version of GNU Emacs needs to read a lot of ELisp files. Some of them might (getenv "GDM_LANG") and set some Emacs variable ... "Emacs22-GTk" uses a graphical tool kit (set of libraries) that makes it look like a GNOME application in X11. -- Greetings Pete When in doubt, use brute force. – Ken Thompson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-21 18:01 ` Steinar Bang 2008-05-21 18:12 ` Peter Dyballa @ 2008-05-21 19:12 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-05-21 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Wed, May 21 2008, Steinar Bang wrote: > I was going to say that "if the locale utils don't pick them up, they > are useless", but it looks like you may be right. The locale(1) > utility does not pick them up: > > $ locale > LANG= > LC_CTYPE="POSIX" > LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" > LC_TIME="POSIX" > LC_COLLATE=POSIX > LC_MONETARY="POSIX" > LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" > LC_PAPER="POSIX" > LC_NAME="POSIX" > LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" > LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" > LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" > LC_ALL= Only the values without surrounding quotes are set (LC_COLLATE=POSIX). The rest are derived values: $ (unset LANG; LC_COLLATE=POSIX locale; echo ---; env|grep LC_ ) LANG= LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL= --- $ > However, there is a setting called GDM_LANG: > > $ env | grep LANG > GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > > Maybe the Ubuntu locale setting is Gnome specific? If so, it shouldn't > affect GNU emacs...? Emacs doesn't care about `GDM_LANG'. See "Important settings" after `M-x report-emacs-bug RET' to confirm. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode [not found] ` <mailman.11975.1211392969.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2008-05-21 18:51 ` Sven Joachim 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Sven Joachim @ 2008-05-21 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On 2008-05-21 20:01 +0200, Steinar Bang wrote: > I was going to say that "if the locale utils don't pick them up, they > are useless", but it looks like you may be right. The locale(1) > utility does not pick them up: > > $ locale > LANG= > LC_CTYPE="POSIX" > LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" > LC_TIME="POSIX" > LC_COLLATE=POSIX > LC_MONETARY="POSIX" > LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" > LC_PAPER="POSIX" > LC_NAME="POSIX" > LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" > LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" > LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" > LC_ALL= > > However, there is a setting called GDM_LANG: > > $ env | grep LANG > GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > > Maybe the Ubuntu locale setting is Gnome specific? If so, it shouldn't > affect GNU emacs...? It seems this is a long outstanding bug in Ubuntu's GDM, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/160984. Try to copy your locale settings from /etc/default/locale to /etc/environment to work around this. Sven ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode 2008-05-01 20:28 ` harven 2008-05-01 22:01 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-05-03 19:45 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2008-05-03 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> harven <harven@free.fr>: > Put in your .emacs > (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") > if you want to enter accents with prefix notation e.g. 'e for > accented e. Type C-\ to activate/desactivate the input method when you > are in a buffer. Doesn't look like the default-input-environment variable is buffer local, so that I can set it for certain modes...? (eg. set it in text-mode-hook) > Or better, specify some language environment in your .emacs e.g. > (set-language-environment 'Swedish) > The input method will be set accordingly. > Type M-x describe-language-environment RET SPC > to get a list of all language environments available on your system. > Norway doesn't seem to be available on my system though. Hm... perhaps the Swedish might do the trick (different letters for the same sounds, but it's all within Latin-1)...? But will there be side effects? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: emacs 22 missing iso-accents-mode [not found] <mailman.10877.1209396105.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2008-04-28 17:11 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2008-04-28 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Apr 28, 11:20 am, Steinar Bang <s...@dod.no> wrote: > I switched from emacs 21 to 22 yesterday, and emacs 22 seems to not have > the iso-accents-mode. > > My fingers have been trained for over 10 years to use these keyboard > bindings. Is there a way to get them into emacs 22? The same functionality is provided by input methods (leim) since Emacs 20. I think the latin-1-prefix input method, or one of the language specific prefix input methods (which have the benefit of filtering out prefixes you aren't interested in) will give you what you want. C-\ toggles input methods on and off. You may have to use C-u C-\ if it automatically toggles one of the postfix methods in your locale the first time it is used. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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