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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: When do you prefer frames instead of windows?
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:09:55 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9152bf25-2810-4c98-9c37-900341ff3159@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ygaa93f42w7.fsf@panther.akutech-local.de>

> During an Ediff Session, sometimes I have to leave the Control Panel
> to check something in a different window or buffer, or even on a
> different desktop.  When I get back to Ediff: where is my Control Panel?
> Yes, of course it is still where I left it, upper right corner of the
> screen, but obscured now by the terminal, firefox or any other odd
> window I happened to raise over it during my check-something-outside-of-
> ediff.  And even if the Control Panel is still visible on the screen,
> the mouse is no longer inside that Control Panel.

Yes, this is why Emacs should provide simple key sequences to raise
and refocus frames.

It's no different from what happens if you (one way or another)
select another window, if that window obscures (e.g. replaces) the
window you previously had selected.  You need an easy way to select
arbitrary windows and frames, including from the keyboard.

Wrt frames obscuring/overlapping other frames (for which the window
analogy is windows replacing other windows, or windows simply being
removed), it helps a lot if you let frames be automatically fit to
the size of their displayed text (within max & min limits you set).

> In order to get my ediff session back, I have to accurately raise
> the control panel, raise emacs (I *think* they are connected somehow,
> so maybe this is not necessary), place mouse accurately inside (tiny)
> Control Panel, pay attention not to nudge it out of there etc etc.

Yup.  A PITA.

> Compare to single frame ediff: move mouse anywhere into (large)
> emacs window, press C-M-Up, press C-L, continue with ediff.

Yes.

Consider binding a key to refocus the Ediff Control Panel frame.
You can bind it for just the duration of the Ediff command.  (The
function to raise and focus a frame is `select-frame-set-input-focus'.)

> And no, I will *not* enter a bug report for this, even if it were
> one ;-)

OK.



  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-25 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-24 16:40 When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Raffaele Ricciardi
2014-11-24 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:03   ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 15:54       ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25  8:33   ` When do you prefer windows instead of frames? Was: " H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 18:40       ` MBR
2014-11-25 18:52         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  2:31         ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-19 16:08         ` Jude DaShiell
2014-11-25  8:52   ` Rainer M Krug
     [not found] ` <mailman.14479.1416849631.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-24 17:47   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-24 18:06     ` Jai Dayal
2014-11-25 17:32   ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]   ` <<slrnm79f8k.a37.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-11-25 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 19:10 ` MBR
2014-11-24 19:14   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 22:12 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
     [not found] ` <mailman.14497.1416867184.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-25  0:59   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-25  1:29 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-11-25  4:21   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:54     ` Rainer M Krug
2014-11-25 15:47       ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  1:45 ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25  9:27 ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 15:47   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <mailman.14554.1416930453.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-25 15:57     ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 16:57       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.14564.1416934703.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-25 17:16         ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 18:09           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2014-11-25 22:08             ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-25 22:22               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.14600.1416953316.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-26  9:34               ` Joost Kremers
2014-11-25 22:02           ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-26  5:02       ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25 22:28 ` Bob Proulx
2014-11-25 22:54   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  8:12     ` Alan Schmitt
2014-11-26 13:42       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-28 13:51       ` Tom Davey
2014-11-28 15:39         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26 16:37 ` Ken Goldman
2014-11-27 21:02 ` Chris F.A. Johnson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-01 16:08 bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:34   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 18:52       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:00         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:07           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:06             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:36               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:47                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:52                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:14                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:07                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-02  4:09                         ` Robert Thorpe
2020-11-02 15:41                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-03  6:00                             ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03  6:40                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-03  7:41                                 ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03 16:07                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06 23:45                                     ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-07  1:26                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-02  6:07                     ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 15:48                       ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:02                         ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:58                           ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 17:27                             ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:49                 ` RE: RE: bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:51                 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:10                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:05                     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:36           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:32             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:51           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:09               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:27                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 20:31                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 21:46             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 20:29             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 21:01             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:51       ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <mailman.5042.1543777897.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-04  9:04 ` using setq to create lists based on other lists Barry Margolin
2018-12-04 13:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-05  1:07   ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-05  2:32     ` Drew Adams
2018-12-05  6:45       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05  8:00         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-12-05  8:11           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05 14:57         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.5218.1544021892.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:59           ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]     ` <mailman.5186.1543978155.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:50       ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]   ` <mailman.5145.1543931778.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:47     ` Barry Margolin
     [not found] <mailman.7307.1515801433.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-13  0:43 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  3:43   ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-13  5:23     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 16:31       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-14  7:03         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-16 23:10           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-13 15:50     ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <mailman.7314.1515821013.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-14  2:57       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-14  7:00         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]         ` <mailman.7369.1515913231.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-15  4:17           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:54             ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]             ` <mailman.7435.1516042498.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-15 19:55               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-16 23:58                 ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-19  6:22                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.7609.1516342943.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-19  7:12                   ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 20:31                     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-19 21:05                       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.7653.1516395915.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-19 22:19                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 23:21                           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.7656.1516404112.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-20 19:49                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-20 20:18                               ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <<83bmhos2qd.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-01-20 23:50                                 ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-21  0:04                               ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.7695.1516493072.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-21 11:49                                 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.7650.1516393881.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-19 20:43                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  5:17   ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7313.1515820700.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-14  2:54     ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:52       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7433.1516042345.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-15 19:50         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2016-08-03  9:30 How to get back to a place in a buffer, or: what is a window configuration? Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 11:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-08-03 18:31   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 14:42 ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 18:42   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 19:39     ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 21:47 ` Robert Thorpe
2016-08-03 22:06   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-13 14:20 Overriding emacs key bindings xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-16 21:15   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-16 21:14   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 23:29     ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  1:55       ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  2:41         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  3:25         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  4:15           ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17 20:38           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  1:42           ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  4:38             ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  5:22               ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  5:36                 ` "First line is not a complete sentence" (was: Re: Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings)) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.40.1463549841.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 13:27                   ` Joost Kremers
2016-05-19  4:32                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.37.1463546355.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 14:31               ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Barry Margolin
2016-05-19  4:38                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:44         ` Overriding emacs key bindings Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-17 20:37           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-18  2:21             ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 20:34               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-19  1:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 17:52             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18 20:30               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:43       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  1:51         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:49       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  2:02         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-03  0:47 Opening a bookmark in the init file Robert Thorpe
2015-03-03  0:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-03-03  2:32   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 19:18     ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 21:24       ` Drew Adams
2015-03-08 21:48         ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 22:52           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-14 22:12 Info: how to get back from a footnote Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-15  2:42 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-01-15  3:11   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-15  5:51   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-16  2:38     ` Robert Thorpe
     [not found] <mailman.16504.1419019164.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-29  4:21 ` Abbrevs for the most frequent elisp symbols Emanuel Berg
2014-12-29 11:24   ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 13:09     ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 15:28       ` Drew Adams
2014-12-29 16:28         ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 13:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 13:40       ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 14:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 15:49   ` Tom
     [not found]   ` <mailman.16844.1419852282.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-03  2:25     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-04  0:19       ` Artur Malabarba
     [not found]       ` <mailman.17204.1420330787.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-05 21:16         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-08 20:53           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-03  2:31     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-23 21:37 when you gotta have a variable value for a symbol name Buchs, Kevin J.
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