From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9096f2aa-e164-433b-bc4b-fa819ab8b0cd@googlegroups.com> References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87lhil2io1.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87d23w3mzu.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87h9t0a8az.fsf@debian.uxu> <28015c0d-28e0-4577-9728-a3ab05cc48ab@googlegroups.com> <87d23nx6pf.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427900429 10639 80.91.229.3 (1 Apr 2015 15:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 15:00:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 01 17:00:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YdK80-0007bu-8X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:00:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53140 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YdK7u-00085I-QT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:00:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.66.142.196 with SMTP id ry4mr50390624pab.12.1427900280349; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.51.17.10 with SMTP id ga10mr213466igd.6.1427900279391; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!m20no208067iga.0!news-out.google.com!db6ni4060igc.0!nntp.google.com!l13no312550iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <87d23nx6pf.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=117.195.35.110; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 117.195.35.110 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 14:57:59 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211204 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103486 Archived-At: On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 8:07:43 PM UTC+5:30, Pascal J. Bourguignon w= rote: > Rusi writes: >=20 > > On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 7:57:07 AM UTC+5:30, Emanuel Berg wrote: > >> Richard Wordingham writes: > >>=20 > >> > One of the issues with using the full set of Unicode > >> > characters is that many are easily misread when > >> > there are no constraints. Many Greek capitals look > >> > just like Roman capitals, and Latin 'o', Greek '=CE=BF' > >> > and Cyrillic '=D0=BE' may be indistinguishable. This is > >> > not a good idea for writing code. > >>=20 > >> Good point. In addition, there are many Unicode chars > >> that aren't human language chars but instead are to be > >> used in geometric figures, in math and otherwise > >> scientific/engineering notation, and so on - and those > >> also collide (or almost so) with for example the > >> Latin 'o' and probably other letters as well. > > > > Of course =E2=80=94 Richard does use the phrase "FULL set of Unicode ch= aracters" > > > > Currently we see programming languages ALREADY SUPPORTING large swathes= of the > > 1 million chars for identifier-chars -- mostly the 'Letter' and perhaps > > the 'number/digit' categories. >=20 > Quick, without looking it up, is: =E2=9E=92 a digit? a letter? something = else? > What about =E2=85=A8 or =E0=B9=99? Are they digits or letters? I guess 1st is 2nd dunno 3rd cant even read :-) ... all of proves what I am saying (as you concede below) >=20 > > So there are two somewhat opposite points: > > 1. Supporting the Babel of human languages in programming identifiers i= s > > probably a mistake. In any case if a language must go that way, the ch= oice of > > html seems more sane: active opt-in with (something like) a charset dec= laration > > rather than have the whole truckload thrown at someone unsuspecting. > > So if a =D0=90 (cyrillic) and the usual A got mixed up, at the least yo= u asked for it!! >=20 > Yes, a mandatory declarations could solve some problems. Yes=E2=80=A6 We need - Less internationalization - More universalization My points in http://blog.languager.org/2015/01/unicode-and-universe.html http://blog.languager.org/2015/02/universal-unicode.html 1st is the general idea, 2nd is examples of how more the math more is the good; though it gives some ideas of other areas of universalization