From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hikaru Ichijyo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: launch a program in an arbitrary frame Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:03:34 -0500 Organization: UN Spacy Message-ID: <8xxsi8lc8tl.fsf@village.keycorner.org> References: <8xxwpxyducd.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxr3o5ea34.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxmvyte6ei.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxa8utdsof.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xx615hdozz.fsf@village.keycorner.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437264320 5334 80.91.229.3 (19 Jul 2015 00:05:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:05:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 02:05:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGc6Y-00051k-2u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 02:05:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50153 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGc6X-0007Yo-5b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 20:05:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8gqvzx/6kfB2ociwhsoM9zERWO8= Original-Lines: 36 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: d807c8ca.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=70Q\ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105830 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Hikaru Ichijyo writes: > >> the whole point of Emacs is to keep it running and >> accumulate as much of what you work with on disk as >> possible, in memory. > > Is *that* the whole point of Emacs? Well, I suppose I should say that everything I've read from anyone about it so far has led me in that direction, and from observing the way Emacs works, I get the impression they're right. I don't have a citation handy, but if I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone say that constantly quitting and relaunching Emacs gets rid of valuable accumulated information from your session; that people who launch Emacs as a sub-process to use it as a text editor and then kill it are missing the point; that some people apparently feel so strongly about it that emacsclient was created (and before that, gnuclient), just to make sure you'd never have to spawn Emacs as a disposable process for anything...etc, etc. The whole thing seems setup from the ground up to accumulate buffers. The command to kill the buffer you're currently looking at (kill-this-buffer) doesn't even have a key binding unless you give it one yourself. >From all of this, yes, I've definitely gotten the impression over the years that once you decide something is important enough load from disk, Emacs decides it's important enough to hang onto in case you want it again, and you have to be very deliberate about making it not do that. It does seem to be Emacs' whole paradigm -- caching your work for later. -- He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine