From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hikaru Ichijyo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: launch a program in an arbitrary frame Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:09:20 -0500 Organization: UN Spacy Message-ID: <8xxa8utdsof.fsf@village.keycorner.org> References: <8xxwpxyducd.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxr3o5ea34.fsf@village.keycorner.org> <8xxmvyte6ei.fsf@village.keycorner.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1437257420 10446 80.91.229.3 (18 Jul 2015 22:10:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 00:10:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGaJH-0004En-9z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 00:10:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49914 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGaJG-0007lD-5K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:10:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kI7MdLlttJxP6WgG+BknZ3xkv3E= Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 8c535760.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=3o>?USHf4NEOObP71A_HVDL?0kYOcDh@JC`[QFKb List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105820 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Hikaru Ichijyo writes: > >> But you're right -- by today's standards, it's >> a very thin application. On my system, it launches >> in about one second, even with all the stuff I've >> got in my ~/.emacs. Everything is nearly instant, >> and if anything ever causes system-wide problems, >> you can be sure it's never Emacs. >> >> It's gone from being regarded as a monstrosity to >> a model citizen desktop application, all just >> because everything else got go bloated >> in comparison. > > This is all confusing! It is better to not use words > like "thin", "bloated" etc. What does it mean? > > My Emacs binary, /usr/bin/emacs24-nox, is > 13625528 bytes, or ~13M. The emacs24 package in the > Debian repos is, uncompressed, 17.8 M. The software > itself is very powerful and feature-rich. Generally, I just meant that I remember in the 1980's and 90's, people used to joke about Emacs being enormous. On 80's workstations, it might take all the memory in your machine just to run an Emacs session. Now I can't think of many programs that are friendlier to your resources. Emacs didn't change though -- the standards of "normal" did. -- He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine