From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:41:13 +0000 Message-ID: <8ed9b4350244e6ebf6f6@heytings.org> References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> <87czx94w3b.fsf@mbork.pl> <555c4ea0-dc93-0c84-b25e-395020809941@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20416"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 13:42:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9SLm-0005CK-Vy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:42:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50516 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9SLm-0006Da-1W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:42:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53392) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9SKc-0006Bm-Pe for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:41:27 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:43342) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9SKU-0008Rt-Ik for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:41:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612874473; bh=wBCkN8w6ON5GQzKFRqL0gb5r1iovTIPH5qghHM2AOE0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=qnK2KXFYtAlUyoFsDVUtXDDfDxvQjuzN5chlDifDD+QsHEnp+eSXyWitzUpnYd6V9 KZW1UWTzf6ImNtn+CcA0FEfy+e/sCsDe66nu7AOyVNhbuiTiLc7zt1zNMBC0lpoa7L jNj+DS2K3jJO1dv7WL3nHSLb3hpUehgdJfwN5i6chmxy/NQ7fpweu5FGhL/bOXFlNk qz+NYaHg+LBuVq1JlO07SdiK5jiExkePYY9UrfKjS2Ow4f2sGle1+O1sTbFhrhGroK kWPUzh4ln1GP1mXFfpK5OvprXs2NmpSi5N7Ydm5WIng9TWWL/e0rWvGv0PVYYHuSbO zB0d+WdITa6tA== In-Reply-To: <555c4ea0-dc93-0c84-b25e-395020809941@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127693 Archived-At: [It is regrettable that this thread has hijacked the proposal under discussion in the "PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key..." thread.] > > We do: put 'undo' on [C-z], so that we stop hiding that feature from new > users who're just trying Emacs for the first time. > Users who are trying Emacs for the first time have a direct access to "Undo": it's in the tool bar, labeled "Undo". If you put the mouse there, it says "Undo last edits (C-x u)". Moreover the bindings for "undo" are not more exotic than those of copy (M-w), cut (C-w) and paste (C-y).