From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: emacs is not Microsoft Word [was emacs-w3m question] Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <8dd3a83f-c1c9-45c9-901d-c9498cb12651@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <7b5a888e-d50f-4061-8854-9832b9330411@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226090544 6459 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 20:42:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:42:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 21:43:27 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyYAv-0003gZ-A3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:43:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42417 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyY9n-00013P-Py for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:42:15 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 83 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1226089069 28339 127.0.0.1 (7 Nov 2008 20:17:49 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:164232 comp.emacs:97331 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59566 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > :-) What I said was, I think, true. People do use Emacs over comms > lines. Emacs developers actively resist the "tyranny of the majority". Yes. 1+1=3D=3D2, is true. Therefore you should shut the fuck up. 1+1 is just true. Try it on your calculator. You can even call =E2=80=9Ccalc=E2=80= =9D in emacs. Here's what to do: type =E2=80=9CAlt+x calc=E2=80=9D, then type =E2= =80=9C1 Enter 1 Enter +=E2=80=9D, then you'll see =E2=80=9C2=E2=80=9D. So, perhaps you shou= ld shut the fuck up after all. Further, emacs is really not Microsoft word, nor is it even a product by Microsoft. Your opinion turns out all wrong. O, sorry i forgot, did u say emacs is used over comms lines? Is there a context for this statement? Do you actually have a point? O, actually, let me help you make your point. Like this: =E2=80=9CEmacs is still frequently used over terminals, therefore it should not use Shift key as part of its shortcuts=E2=80=9D. Is that what you are trying to say? If so, let me know. I'll help you understand what a moron you are. I mean it. I mean, that you and most tech geekers, are so stupid, so lack of critical thinking abilities, that you may actually not understand simple things, and think the above line is quite reasonable. So, i'm saying, it is totally not unexpected that you would seem nothing wrong with the above claim about Shift key and telnet. I'm saying, that i'm willing to help you understand what's wrong about it. O, wait a minute. You also mentioned that emacs resist the tyranny of the majority. So, we are back to the line about =E2=80=9Cemacs is not Microsoft=E2=80=9D, right? Q: Why should emacs want to be popular and why should emacs change to conform the majority? This attitude has plagued unix and computer geekers for decades. In the early 1990s (DOS and unix), tech geekers would sneer at graphical menus and mouse, with hordes of reasons how pure text interface, the command line, and or keyboard operations are sufficient and superior than graphical user interface or using a mouse. This seems ridiculous today, but such voices are commonly seen all over newsgroups. (Since about 1998, linuxes are in a frenzied race to copy whole-sale of Microsoft Windows's user interface ( KDE=E2=86=97, GNOME=E2=86=97, Lindows= =E2=86=97 ) trying to make itself easy-to-use.) We like emacs, we want emacs to be used by more people, we like more elisp programers. By improving emacs, as a side effect emacs will also be more popular. It is not a popularity contest. ----------- what is the motherfuck is your problem with the majority or popularity? I mean, what motherfuck is wrong with u? you are a human animal, arn't you? and you know, there are 6+ billions of human animals. So, you are part of the majority. Perhaps you should cease to be a human animal to avoid being a majority? you wear shoes right? majority of human animals wear shoes. So, perhaps you can go barefoot so that you can get a sense of superiority by not majority? O, most people today believe earth is not flat. I'm sure Microsofties believes that too. Perhaps emacs users should join flat-earthers so it's not majority? > Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). who the fuck r u anyway? care to enlighten us with perhaps your resume? what emacs packages have u done? how long have u been a emacs dev? what's your field of expertise? how old are u? 50? 60? my life and cock size is a open book. Perhaps you should tell us about yourself, since we have had many arguments, and consider that you are my fan, since yourself said. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84