From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Path of tool-bar icons Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d731b35-3056-47fd-a542-9aeff81bf855@default> References: <83h8oh3dp4.fsf@gnu.org> <864lkhfpgs.fsf@zoho.com> <20180411205539.GE26644@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523483187 5132 195.159.176.226 (11 Apr 2018 21:46:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) To: tomas@tuxteam.de, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 11 23:46:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NZP-0001EB-Ej for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:46:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60745 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6NbW-0006co-3A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:48:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Naw-0006bL-Kp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:48:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Nat-0006kz-HZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:59592) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Nat-0006kZ-BA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:47:55 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w3BLjird193617; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:47:53 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=7/8PRaqYDAhNuKuur7iZNhMiJyPyDe9lAmwRJqF+C+I=; b=FZbFHJuV7cManWTY4UisFSUuFNWoXRpO4t3h7TqIDA6LLR7F4e+OaH4/2aC4HHFyG0FN LwmtgtQarQCovMIHr6BWnv0vAdigIGD2QbDVi1EYqYOVhvRB5Dd1Xa6j5IRBXQNpXR5i gMhuweXLnxHM9HUrI+8IG2WgTDrqgnRl0iaGTEuqHBpnjkCZ/ydJ6xNPCp4weZ8gtn++ fkJdHc1PlLLYNP406lw/MW08OfpYv27gSx4fn6lOD6gwSG0MK4KJhYy1P7xiUGbB3ugs v5BvqnluGyQIs41WO7gX0tuteiirOMuow3vNzMLwdQTRr9k4ddPtk8xpo7b+v/be6PE+ SA== Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2h6kgthdd4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:47:53 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3BLlkED019341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:47:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w3BLleKm020555; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:47:40 GMT In-Reply-To: <20180411205539.GE26644@tuxteam.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8860 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=767 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804110203 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.79 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116476 Archived-At: > > > This is a difficult thing in Emacs: it has > > > its own (strong) culture and its lexicon > > > sometimes differs in subtle ways from > > > people's expectations. > > > > There are a couple of such cases but it isn't > > epidemic like some people like to exaggerate, > > often to push the "Emacs is difficult to learn" > > notion, likewise exaggerated. There was a guy on > > this list who made a big hullabaloo of some > > window/frame issue for example... >=20 > I think it *is* a hurdle. I don't think changing Emacs' > culture is a solution to that (nor that it's desirable, > for that). But I do think it helps being aware of it. 1. `C-h r' `i glossary' (or `g glossary', if you know there is a node named Glossary) If you want to suggest a common term to add to the glossary, to xref a more traditional Emacs term, even if the two are not exactly synonymous, you can do that: `M-x report-emacs-bug'. For example, search the glossary for "paste" and you'll find this entry: Cut and Paste see Glossary--Killing, and see Glossary--Yanking Those are links, after "see". They should take you to the glossary entries "killing" and "yanking", respectively. Unfortunately, a regression was apparently introduced in Emacs 24.5 - those links now take you elsewhere. I just filed bug #31130 for this. https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D31130 (The fact that this regression has apparently gone unnoticed since Emacs 24.5 maybe indicates how little use people make of at least some glossary entries, if not the glossary itself.) 2. There is also this page on Emacs Wiki: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsJargon 3. However, I'm not sure that this problem of looking-for-"icon"-instead-of-"image" is really a problem of Emacs using uncommon jargon. I'd think that it's kinda natural to look for "image" if "icon" finds no hits wrt the tool bar.