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[183.176.139.235]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y19sm19795422pfm.181.2019.02.18.21.36.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:36:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20190218221442658318052@bob.proulx.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::436 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119459 Archived-At: > On Feb 19, 2019, at 14:23, Bob Proulx wrote: >=20 > Not having grown up with it people now arriving on the scene and using > it are using the mailers that have been marketed to them. They now > have no idea how mail works. It all might as well be magic to them. > If it truly were magic there would be no difference to them. I started mailing in 95 from a private ISP and it was not obvious then = either :) A lot of people literally *grow up* with modern interfaces now, so it's = a loosing battle. > I keep thinking that people will see how bad the Gmail/Outlook > interface to mail is and will leave them to use better ones. Even offline clients GUI does not give easy access to that information. = For ex, when I display "All headers" in my client (Apple's Mail.app) I = only get a greyed out list of seemingly meaningless strings. I'd love to have a client that displays "List-Unsubscribe: = =E2=81=A8=E2=81=A9" = as an actual *link* to the ressource. Silly question: do such clients = exist ? :) Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune