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[128.53.17.168]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a17sm4617437pfk.173.2017.11.07.04.45.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Nov 2017 04:45:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y3nigy86.fsf@hornfels.zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::231 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114769 Archived-At: > On Nov 7, 2017, at 19:49, Loris Bennett = wrote: >=20 >=20 > So doesn't searching-and-replace with an empty replacement work? It works to accomplish the same result but it takes many more step as I = wrote earlier: isearch string isearch-query-replace (replace with nothing) > As to Emacs behaving differently to other editors, I think it is the > other way round ;-) No, actually it really is the other way round. Emacs is not a text = editor, it is a Lisp virtual machine with text editing functions. = Applications that are created to be specialized in text editing are = closer to what the users need in terms of interaction. Which is the = point of the current discussion. The problem with emacs and searches, is that you only search, you don't = *find*, as in the action of searching does not result in an object that = you can act upon. Which defeats the purpose of searching. A simple "search" does nothing but put the point at the end of the = match. it is nice to navigate the document but it does nothing about the = match. isearch is even more treacherous since it makes it look like you = are finding something, when actually you have also just moved the point = in the buffer and nothing more. A simple "search" should at least be able to create a region on the = match, it doesn't even do that. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- @brandelune http://mac4translators.blogspot.com