From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs for everything? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:05:12 -0900 Organization: __________ Message-ID: <87zn1g2t5j.fld@barrow.com> References: <87pt2ej98v.fsf@node1.ddorf.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1100718381 21873 80.91.229.6 (17 Nov 2004 19:06:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 17 20:06:15 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CUV8B-00061x-00 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:06:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CUVGy-0001CC-Mc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:15:20 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: gnus 5.10.6/XEmacs 21.4.15/Linux 2.6.5 Cancel-Lock: sha1:VOpv/Mkq9trwRQxE8atDdyZTU78= Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.124.156.147 Original-X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1100718445 209.124.156.147 (Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:25 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:07:25 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:126704 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22100 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22100 Fabian Braennstroem wrote: > >You can hide all 'distrations from window borders, mice scroll-bars, menus, >task-bars,...' and by the way, 'fluxbox' can do that too. Virtually *any* X window manager is going to be *far* more flexible as a window manager than is emacs. In my original article fvwm2 was mentioned, and of course it and many other window managers can use or not use all of those options. It happens that I don't like eye-candy cluttering up the screen either. Hence I have no icons, don't have a task-bar, etc. etc. However, I've come to find that window borders are in fact useful, as are pop-down menus and scroll bars. To me the trick is to make the small enough, use the right colors to keep them from being distracting; which is to say that proper configuration is everything. (What else is new, eh?) Of course, again, the point is that an X window manager is flexible, and *any* of those options can be changed to suit *any* user. The window manager capabilities of emacs are great, and whenever I'm on a terminal (yes, that still happens), on a terminal emulator logged in remotely, or in any other of the common situations where X can't be used I am just ever so greatful that RMS viewed emacs as the entire user interface rather than just as an editor. -- Floyd L. Davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@barrow.com