From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: umlauts (8bit characters) input Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:19:51 -0500 Organization: Bell Sympatico Message-ID: <87zmynuhkm.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107358633 2861 80.91.229.2 (2 Feb 2005 15:37:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 02 16:37:13 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwMYg-0002i0-Ji for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:36:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwMlm-0008S5-Hs for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:50:18 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!pln-e!lotsanews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NJIE8bHmFmm7J+mx9nztsa0cxOA= Original-Lines: 43 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.71.119.41 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca Original-X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1107357591 67.71.119.41 (Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:19:51 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:19:51 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:128348 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:23858 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:23858 > dired-buffers with 'uuu' encoding -- and short and precise file names with Please read the manual that explains what the "uuu" mean. There are many places where things can go wrong and it helps if you understand a bit of the possible different places. E.g. the decoding of files, the decoding of file names, the decoding of keyboard input, and the display of chars are 4 different and independent issues. > real umlauts! But in shell they're gone ... a bunch of control codes? (I > am using tcsh and see a\314?o\314?u\314?\303?U\314?O\314?A\314?\342?\254 > instead of äöü?ÜÖÄÛ, shell has only 'uu-') Could you try posting in a more widely available charset than mac-roman? The last char of "uu-" is meaningless in a shell buffer (it's the encoding of the file associated with the buffer, and since shell buffers have no associated file, ...). > The X11 client is even worse: copy and paste in this same Emacs does not > work (a simple ä is converted to a whole book volume of glyphs that are > hard to describe), Huh? You mean you can't copy&paste from Emacs to itself correctly? Or do you mean you can't correctly copy from Emacs to something else? Or you can't correctly paste from something else to Emacs? Please be super extra overly precise as if talking to complete idiots. > and displays 'aou...Û', and shell uses no mode '--:**...' as in > Terminal and shows the name as in Terminal. The just means that it couldn't find a font to display the char. Go to that char and hit C-u C-x = to see which char it is. Maybe you just need to help Emacs find the right font. But of course, first we need to know which Emacs version you're running. If it's Emacs-CVS, please move this discussion to emacs-devel@gnu.org or emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org. Stefan