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From: Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:00:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zm1j8uhy.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: v91wew8ele.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

Hi Reiner,

>> Another cause is that emacs has a precise terminology. To blur it
>> would be a source of confusion.
>
> Do you think the German tutorial blurs the precise terminology?

I've never read it. But after a quick overview I'd say, no. But the
tutorial is written by one person, wheras if every emacs manual was to
be translated, there would be a need for quite a few more translators.
And the bigger the group, the less are the chances to keep terminology
precise and consistent.

But what is this English warning talking about? Here, with `emacs -Q'
`C-x C-b' is still bound to `list-buffers'.

,----
| ** C-x C-b has been rebound, but you can use the `Buffers' menu instead
|    [More] **
`----

> I agree that a mixture is bad.  But complete translations of manuals
> would be fine, I think.

Yes, for manuals I agree somewhat, but as others mentioned: Only the
original English manual is the definitive guide.

But translations could be useful for poeple, anyway.

>> Gretchen Müller won't fetch her mail with Gnus anyway, even though it
>> was localized.
>
> There are several people in de.comm.software.gnus who say that they
> often have difficulties to understand Gnus manuals.

The Gnus manual is quite special, because Lars wrote it in a very
entertaining style. Maybe it's a bit harder to read and less precise
than the usual emacs documentation.

Bye,
Tassilo
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-26  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-23 12:03 Why emacs have not native language menu lu
2007-07-23 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-23 22:42   ` lu
2007-07-24  0:17   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24  0:36     ` Nick Roberts
2007-07-24  1:00       ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24  8:04         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3832.1185238836.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:48         ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 11:19           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:23             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3854.1185275992.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 11:35             ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2007-07-24 12:10               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:50                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:11                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-24 15:21                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3880.1185290519.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:30                         ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 16:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 18:51                         ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-25 20:00                   ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals (was: Emacs localization ...) Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  3:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26  4:42                     ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals Katsumi Yamaoka
2007-07-26 12:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 11:45             ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 10:05     ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:05       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:12         ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:21           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]         ` <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469\x04A@Web.DE>
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3855.1185276075.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:54             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:00               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:40                 ` William Case
2007-07-24 15:08                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3874.1185289573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25  5:53                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3866.1185285646.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 14:26                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:57                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3873.1185289068.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:02                     ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25  5:16                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25  6:44                         ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25  6:55                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25 10:38                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 16:47                             ` William Case
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3973.1185382240.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:28                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25  9:36                           ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 11:15                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 12:01                               ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 13:06                                 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 13:17                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-26  4:16                                   ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 12:28                               ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-25 12:59                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.3943.1185346523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:51                             ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25 12:05                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.3957.1185365137.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 12:31                                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:56                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3850.1185275133.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:30         ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 15:25           ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:52             ` William Case
2007-07-24 16:29               ` Why emacs have not native language menu -- TYPO William Case
2007-07-24 18:40               ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3826.1185230563.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  3:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-24 11:29       ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 12:18         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:24           ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:39             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3860.1185279523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:48           ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:10             ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:02               ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:19                 ` Hadron
2007-07-25 21:56                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-26 13:36                     ` Hadron
2007-07-26 15:02                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 19:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27  0:23                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 10:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:52                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 12:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 13:32                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 18:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 18:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.4046.1185495843.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 12:00                             ` Hadron
2007-07-27 15:00                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.4017.1185462177.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:31                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 21:01                           ` ryofurue
2007-07-26 14:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 15:03                     ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-26 16:02                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.4022.1185465812.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 16:56                         ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.4016.1185461692.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 17:57                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-27 18:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 20:35                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-28  7:30                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 15:12                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3872.1185289026.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 15:57                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 21:46             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25 10:42               ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:07         ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:09           ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25  0:48       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25  5:42         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-25  8:11         ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3947.1185351202.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:19           ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]           ` <200707251019.l6PAJ3Zu021410@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>
2007-07-25 12:22             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3958.1185366162.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 20:25               ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25 20:34                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found] ` <mailman.3810.1185219229.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:41   ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-24 11:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:53       ` David Hansen
2007-07-24 12:23         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:21       ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:27         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3853.1185275573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:32       ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:45         ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  8:12           ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:31     ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  8:00       ` Tassilo Horn [this message]
2007-07-26  8:16         ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26 19:35           ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 11:33         ` Hadron
2007-07-26 14:20           ` David Hansen
     [not found] <mailman.3788.1185192228.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-23 13:53 ` poppyer
2007-07-23 22:45   ` lu
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3827.1185230730.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:43     ` Tassilo Horn

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