From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 05:39:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87zi0tvfs4.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <3670f5d10c3f80646994f515711f0a30@openmail.cc> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526873933 16899 195.159.176.226 (21 May 2018 03:38:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 03:38:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: edgar@openmail.cc Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 21 05:38:49 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKber-0004HY-2e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 05:38:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48655 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKbgy-0006aC-90 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 May 2018 23:41:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34441) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKbgN-0006X0-Q2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 May 2018 23:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKbgK-0001HQ-DP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 May 2018 23:40:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:49794) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKbgK-0001BL-1z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 May 2018 23:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA74E78CD; Mon, 21 May 2018 05:40:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oeE0yxb09Dcq; Mon, 21 May 2018 05:40:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBBABE78C3; Mon, 21 May 2018 05:40:11 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <3670f5d10c3f80646994f515711f0a30@openmail.cc> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116788 Archived-At: On 2018-05-20, at 21:29, edgar@openmail.cc wrote: >> Question #1: How important is your strong inclination, measured in >> dollars? Because we all have to go along to get along, to some extent. > > American, Canadian, Australian... dollars? :D . I don't like to > measure myself in currency. It is as if turning into > a product. I guess that you mean how much I am willing to give up for > my inclination, which is a good question. Good point about not measuring everything in money. >> If you're trying to defend your ideals, it might help to remember you >> can't, because everything is connected to everything else. > > The first part of this statement is very daunting, depressing and grim. And very untrue. It helps to develop a rational attitude to morality: you do not have influence on everything, not even all the results of your actions, and hence you do not bear responsibility for what you don't influence. (Of course, that doesn't mean you don't bear any responsibility for what you _do_ influence.) For instance, you go to the bakery, buy the bread and pay the baker the money. He then takes the money and goes to buy a gun to kill his wife. Are you responsible? I don't think so (at least under normal circumstances). (BTW, by "rational attitude to morality" I mean "attitude to morality which takes morality seriously, and at the same time takes seriously the _reality_, i.e., not some nice-looking theory which does not work in practice, nor any way to just say that morality doesn't matter. IOW, "rational attitude to morality" is just "the Catholic attitude to morality".) >> During the Vietnam war, it wasn't uncommon for someone to declare their >> opposition to the war meant they refused to work for a defense >> contractor. OK. Banking, then? But banks finance defense >> contractors. McDonalds? They feed defense contractor employees. >> Academia? You're training new defense contractors. No matter how you >> earn your bread, your employer and your earnings eventually feed the >> same maw. > > Oh! war! thou creator of all! Again, too simplistic and not true. >> If you're just trying to pamper your fingers, it might help to remember >> you can. To the extent others are unaffected, you'll usually be free >> to choose what software to use. That will be more true in technical >> and scientific areas, and less true in business and administrative >> ones. > > I don't know what "pamper your fingers" mean, but I think that the > message is the comparison between technical and scientific > v.s. business and administrative. FWIW, I work in a small software house which mostly uses open-source software (which is not the same as free software, but has a big intersection with it). We use Node.js, Vagrant, Ansible, PostgreSQL... And our boss encourages us to "give back" to the larger community by bug reports, pull requests and open-sourcing small utilities we write. >> One last point that's often underappreciated: if you use whatever >> software you're asked/expected to use, then if you have problems or >> delays -- as you certainly will -- you'll have a sympathetic ear. If >> you insist on doing it your own way, others will blame every problem or >> delay, fairly or not, on your choice of software. [...] *Very true*. We have one person using MacOS. Every time there's some problem, someone says "It's because it's Apple." Yes, it's a joke, but it's symptomatic. We also run a small, jocular version of "editor war" between Emacs (me) and Sublime Text (most of the other developers). Just my 2 cents. -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl