From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 23:15:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87zh324fa9.fsf@web.de> References: <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> <20201127160216.GA27998@tuxteam.de> <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35801"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:pqLWXkIqd+njfGGrbY6hKSRLiH4= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 23:16:46 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kim2o-0009ED-A3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 23:16:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46592 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kim2n-0007Qf-C4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:16:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kim2D-0007QW-W7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:16:10 -0500 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:49850 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kim2B-0001EI-4p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:16:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kim27-0008SA-Af for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 23:16:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125702 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: > Agreed. But telling users that one does not work for them is > excessive, to say the least. Taking care of this manual is excessive. I have much respect for the work Eli is doing. You can never write a manual that fits everyone's expectations. It fits mine quite well. Yours not, obviously. But guess you are working on that manual over years, for thousands of hours probably. Say, 90% of people like it, and 10 % don't like it. What you get is that these 90% post, "hey, I've read that manual, it was great" and eh - no, ehm, they say... nothing, you seldom hear from them; and 10% don't like it and are frustrated and tell you it sucks, please rewrite. They didn't really read it and don't really know what they are talking about because they can't estimate what it covers and why. And if you ask for help everybody is suddenly quiet. I would be pissed off. I don't know where Eli's motivation comes from. Michael.