From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@logand.com> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 00:49:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgwbvnut.fsf@logand.com> References: <YLKomM4wehoFt4RE@protected.localdomain> <trinity-ca40ef58-9eb4-4e8c-8dd9-0354837e1804-1622323566163@3c-app-mailcom-bs16> <YLK4gyJwcxWiMVYy@protected.localdomain> <trinity-415b7e7c-19f8-41a3-9fed-8426f2ed82a5-1622326054910@3c-app-mailcom-bs16> <YLLCGH4YW/F1lYIB@protected.localdomain> <trinity-65e503a7-fd81-4622-9914-8eca779bc623-1622340673025@3c-app-mailcom-bs16> <CADs++6j9sSeJM5hSxwLMRhf5tce+EuyAcXUY9hrmEm58J9sCsQ@mail.gmail.com> <87wnrggh5x.fsf@zoho.eu> <YLQEuFicfmWtOQXK@protected.localdomain> <87tumjgan7.fsf@zoho.eu> <YLQMMVN9xW/d5U8l@protected.localdomain> <878s3vg94z.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="793"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 31 00:50:32 2021 Return-path: <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org>) id 1lnUGO-000AXN-1d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 00:50:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60588 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org>) id 1lnUGN-0001uq-41 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 18:50:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <tom@logand.com>) id 1lnUFU-0001to-4D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 18:49:36 -0400 Original-Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:59294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <tom@logand.com>) id 1lnUFR-0001Cw-6f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 18:49:35 -0400 Original-Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F08B519E626; Mon, 31 May 2021 00:49:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 27.1 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) In-Reply-To: <878s3vg94z.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=37.48.87.44; envelope-from=tom@logand.com; helo=logand.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs> List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130365 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/130365> On Mon 31 May 2021 at 00:16, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> wrote: > Jean Louis wrote: > >> This is line before the sexp (find-man "man") > > Yeah but just eval this: > > (man "ls") Many emacs commands are deficient in important way and Eduardo identified and codified his observation in eev. For example, many commands jump to a buffer but do not allow me to jump to a specific place in the buffer. eev fixes this. For example, this jumps to the place where -h switch is described: (find-man "ls" "-h") The example you provided does not have this. There are other things that eev can do.