From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Appending lists Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:00:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgvpqs10.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87zgvs2bup.fsf@zoho.eu> <87y2bby1kr.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210615091834.GB24886@tuxteam.de> <87im2ewr3k.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210616072819.GB17919@tuxteam.de> <87im2dvjgl.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210616184915.GA18839@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15059"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:ULyigil9MSCOiejwEjeR038gFWE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 17 02:01:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltfT5-0003i5-Ga for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:01:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42062 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltfT4-0008Gq-IZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 20:01:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55496) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltfSf-0008GP-6N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 20:00:45 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:55354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltfSb-0000hr-HO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 20:00:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltfSY-000309-9u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:00:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130945 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: > When there is elephant in front of me, and there was one, > then somebody comes across and says, ah, that is not really > an elephant in front of you, it's really nothing more than > a reference to a bunch of walking meat and bones... then > there is nothing useful about it. I have to run anyway, or > pee myself. > > Or, maybe it would be good changing the Elisp manuals where > you can place the statements like: "the value held in > variable `x' is not a list of 3 elements where by: (let ((x > (list 1 2 3))) x) ⇒ (1 2 3) is not what you see... (irony) > > If you wish to go deep, go even deeper and talk how there is > no cdr and car, no cons, and no Lisp, as all we are talking > about is about turning it on and turning it off, you see? > There are actually no lists at all, there is no Lisp, no > C programming, as in the reality there is something else, it > is just our consideration... go even deeper and demand from > Emacs Lisp programmer to understand the quantum physics as > in reality, well, there is no matter at all... as what you > see is not really there... go back to the Big Bang, but that > is not Emacs Lisp context. > > Emacs Lisp programmer is high level programmer who enjoys > the straight practical language. That is quite > a different context. > > The value bound to variable `x' makes the variable have that > value. As simple as that. It isn't deep, it is the basic. Try to understand instead of arguing. References to elephants and Big Bang won't change anything. Uhm ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal