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Fri, 5 Nov 2021 08:12:04 +0000 Original-Received: by kubenode512.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7657163b8e3eb1cd3aa2f3e8ce81581c; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:11:58 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20211105074212.GB2483@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Fri, 5 Nov 2021 08:42:12 +0100") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19266 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134369 Archived-At: writes: > Not the OP, but I am one of those who ran away from GNOME. In my case > the reason is: infantilisation. I can't stand that. That attitude is familiar to me, because it was common around the release of GNOME 2. And the removal of Sawfish also caused quite a stir. Give it some time. Even though GNOME might have been making some bad design decisions as of late, it's still leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. I'm not sure if this discussion is appropriate help-gnu-emacs though. It's getting a bit off topic.