From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 04:24:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgizoj02.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> <874k19pue3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <877d65oaxj.fsf@dataswamp.org> <38b62931b8e3ef2c4ee2dd71e111d857@basiscraft.com> <87h757q4ls.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87czfvq3wi.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10071"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:3oqtJ6UiNNxj2KtcUgAoQyHT3WQ= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 30 04:25:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nvV5Z-0002Os-O6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 May 2022 04:25:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58462 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvV5Y-00051J-6E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 22:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvV4y-0004zF-4H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 22:24:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:51008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvV4w-0004zW-EZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 22:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nvV4u-0001Zo-BC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2022 04:24:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137467 Archived-At: Thomas Lord wrote: >> But with the Fediverse you have it, > > Not at all - that's a very different system for a fairly > narrow set of purposes, but I'll drop it. They call the architecture with many servers a federation but it's the same as the Usenet one, see these images https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/comp/net-arch.png https://dataswamp.org/~incal/pimgs/comp/usenet.png So while in theory it is total P2P in practice it is client-server only there are many servers that themselves share information, or temporarily acts as clients if you will. It's the old redundance and propagation scheme all over. So then the Fediverse (a concept) is the whole set based on this network idea, and the Mastodon "instances" (servers) that offer a FOSS Facebook/Twitter-ish service is just one service of many possible, albeit one that has been realized. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal