From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:12:39 -0800 Organization: __________ Message-ID: <87y7r6yqco.fld@apaflo.com> References: <45299CB0.5090003@speakeasy.net> <4529A0E4.60403@charter.net> <873b9e509s.fld@apaflo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161686459 19945 80.91.229.2 (24 Oct 2006 10:40:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 12:40:47 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcJi0-0007eK-Rp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:40:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcJi0-0002l3-9Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:40:36 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!news-in-02.newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xt-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: gnus 5.10.6/XEmacs 21.4.15/Linux 2.6.17-11 Cancel-Lock: sha1:YZRfx8cTGTi+NYD99mVPPk0/7F8= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 27 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:142613 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38234 Archived-At: Mathias Dahl wrote: >floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) writes: > >> That is exactly the case. I too think the primary difference is >> that for me a modeless editor is easy to use, and a modeful editor >> drives me up a tree. For others it is exactly the opposite. >> (Granted that one method used by people like me to deal with Vi is >> to append, automatically, key strokes to the end of every command to >> bring it back to one particular mode.) > >To be fair, Emacs is full of modes, all the time you are working in >different ones. Most are very similar when it comes to basic text >editing, but think about Dired or the M-x prompt, or isearch or... To be specific, the type of interface used by emacs is known as modeless. It has many modes, but it *automatically* defaults back to insert mode when any of the other modes is completed. >Sometimes I get stuck in the M-x or Find File prompt without noticing >(because I types those keys by mistake) and I guess that is similar to >the problems people get in vi. Personally, when I open vi, I get >scared, but some day I will try to tame the beast just so that I do >not need to be scared anymore... -- Floyd L. Davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com