From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Environment Variables Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:02:07 +1100 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <87y7ciyc8g.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> References: <7e3068b0-defa-4b37-9092-182b521f5f50@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <3568102A-B060-4D1F-B7B5-7944386B07A9@Web.DE> <20071124124821.GA5409@ono.com> <87ir3qzw3m.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <877ik4yv1g.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <8563zodlto.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ejebu014.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196248796 5764 80.91.229.10 (28 Nov 2007 11:19:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:19:56 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 28 12:25:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from [129.240.10.42] (helo=mail-forward.uio.no) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IxKJT-00013N-Nf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:38:39 +0100 Original-Received: from mail-mx8.uio.no ([129.240.10.38]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IxJRk-0003N9-H0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:43:08 +0100 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by mail-mx8.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IxJRV-0005CV-0n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:43:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxJQU-0002jq-Un for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:41:51 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xt-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fZ3+64x4S39iYQh3Gv7bzgpbr/o= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 50 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:154191 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: pass (mail-mx8.uio.no: domain of gnu.org designates 199.232.76.165 as permitted sender) client-ip=199.232.76.165; envelope-from=help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org; helo=lists.gnu.org; X-UiO-ClamAV-Virus: No X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.5, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, AWL=0.500,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1) X-UiO-Scanned: E4D2EC857A823FDAA83806FE96BBA3C06A699AF2 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 199.232.76.165 spam_score: -4 maxlevel 200 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 27 total 27881 max/h 424 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:49609 Archived-At: jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> Peter Dyballa writes: >> >>> Am 27.11.2007 um 09:03 schrieb Tim X: >>> >>>> I don't want to have to know two shells, one for interactive work and >>>> one for scripting. >>> >>> So you're boiling your eggs with a hammer? >>> >>> For me it's not that complicated to write in German, English, >> >> [...] >> >> Your English writing could make do with fewer non-sequiturs. > > One shell might be better for scripting and one for interactive use. > > I switched to Z Shell because of its interactive features (it's "more > pretty"), and started scripting at the same time; now that I use Dired, > I have very limited interactive shell usage, but I still use zsh for > scripting. Of course I use bash for any system-wide scripts or things > meant to run as root. I used zsh some years back, mainly because at the time, it was thought it would be the best shell for parallel processing environments and because the researcher I was working with in parallel processing was also actively contributing to its development. Its been a long time since I used it, but back then, it was definitely one of the nicest interactive shell environments and it had good consistency between interactive and non-interactive (scripting) use (unlike csh). I've thought about going back to it, but I just don't use interactive shells that much (dired and eshell more often than not) and I've been enjoying moving my environment to a more lisp like one, using rep, guile, scsh and lush instead. Still, zsh is a shell I remember as being pleasant to use and unless the project has gone in some weird new direction, its probably still a good shell. Of course, I still use (ba)sh for my system scripts as I know it will exist. Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au