From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: RTF for emacs Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 01:22:59 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87y4xocegc.fsf@debian.uxu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401146727 8368 80.91.229.3 (26 May 2014 23:25:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 23:25:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 27 01:25:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wp4Ge-0004AR-CO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 May 2014 01:25:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58898 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wp4Gd-0003HQ-OR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 May 2014 19:25:19 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.83.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 67 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: u+UUXbnu1hlDFr5pMibebQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:IjT6FWZTJOpRC98mS96yTYGAO3w= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205619 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97889 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe writes: > I gave a few examples earlier, what about letters? > What about short documents containing tables and > diagram? I often write these at work to explain > things to other people. > What about making a document that's just a set of > photos or pictures? Letters are perfect for plain text as this conversation exemplifies. Tables can be used with plain text but it is often the case they get out of hand and you sit fiddling trying to get straight margins etc. like an idiot. Images obviously can't be done in plain text. For those cases, LaTeX is a good choice, again if the end result - a PDF - is desired. I just put together an example in but a few minutes. It involves a header, a table, and a picture. Have a look at the source [1] and result [2]. It is very easy. At that level, it is not more difficult than HTML. The most advanced stuff I ever did in LaTeX is this [3]. I don't know how advanced it is but it took some time, put it that way. > There may be a fix for that, it's true. There are > bunch of other problems though. In Emacs if you > ps-print a buffer then it comes with a huge header. > If you print it normally then the margins are tiny. > There's no convienent way to include images, such as > scans of other documents. This stuff doesn't work > well because very few people write letters using > plain text. I could fix it, but it would probably > break in the future for that reason. I never printed directly from Emacs but I used the lpr (line/laser print[er]) of the Common Unix Printing System, or cups. I remember there was once a problem printing special chars but I solved it. I don't remember how so probably it was a quick fix. Grep the net. > I've tried to learn it. I found it difficult to > learn and I found the resources on the internet poor. > Almost all of them seem to assume that the user has > read one of the books on the subject already. Like everything else in the pitch-dark computer world, you are more benefited from books at a later stage. Stage one is kicking and bending the door open with you leg. As in, checking out my example, and modifying it just a bit. Then, every day learn something new. One thing a day is sufficient (365 things in a year! - except for the leap year when you learn even more). It is not the Da Vinci code you have to crack. More like a thousand of nails to hammer, just like the hammerhead shark. [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/latex/example/letter.tex [2] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/latex/example/letter.pdf [3] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/about/matte.pdf -- underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573