From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: on ``An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp'' Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:25:47 +0100 Message-ID: <87y4b2cfhg.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87oac34e2o.fsf@debian.uxu> <871t8z6tgc.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87io297a26.fsf@debian.uxu> <87h9hsheov.fsf@mbork.pl> <87vb687y6s.fsf@debian.uxu> <874mdrh8zq.fsf@mbork.pl> <87zivi7m7n.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454491597 28743 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2016 09:26:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 09:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 10:26:28 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aQthb-0000HO-PO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:26:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33495 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQtha-0000Iw-Im for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 04:26:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54110) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQthK-0000FO-7v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 04:26:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQthH-0006Bl-16 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 04:26:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:53778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQthG-0006Al-QB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 04:25:58 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25739D2002; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:25:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x1LfOUtLPnR7; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:25:48 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.28]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E7789D2001; Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:25:48 +0100 (CET) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.1 In-reply-to: <87zivi7m7n.fsf@debian.uxu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108981 Archived-At: On 2016-02-02, at 23:59, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> I have to say, though, that the alleged >> unreliability of the development version of Emacs >> has yet to hit me. > > Even so, it requires some overhead to deal with it. > For your favorite editor/OS it can be motivated. > Not for too many applications tho. > > Actually the point isn't you should or shouldn't do > it. The point is it shouldn't be a goal in itself. > > If you ever end up on the computer forums on the > Internet it is significant how the kids talk. > Firefox version x.y.z and just upgraded to one > zillionbytes of RAM! > > Of course, I myself would like modern equipment just > as well but it doesn't define me one "bit" as > a computer person. Some of them kids have ten times > the more modern equipment but will they turn out ten > times the more creative as well? We'll see! All good points. Considered that currently I basically use mainly six applications most of the time, it seems reasonable /for me/ to do so: 1. Emacs. 2. Mail client (mu4e, in Emacs) 3. Pdf viewer (pdf-tools, in Emacs) 4. Music player (vlc through emms, in Emacs) 5. TeX (this I don't compile from source, but I don't install it from my Linux distro, either) 6. Web browser (FF/eww - FF is basically the only app I use from my distro) Of course, I mean /applications/ here, I don't count coreutils, ssh etc. Also, I /used/ to get excited by "the newest version of this and that, and that many megz RAM", but I agree that one outgrows that ultimately. When I was a kid, I was pretty excited by hardware ("look ma, a one-gigabyte-hdd - whoa!"). Now I consider my computer a shell for my data, and changing computers is an uncomfortable chore instead of a period of excitement. I have yet to outgrow excitement about cool features in newer versions of Emacs, though. ;-) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University