From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:28:09 +0000 Message-ID: <87y2fs2wyu.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <87y2ftroma.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 09:29:42 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqJC-0008WD-1l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:29:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38826 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqJB-0005E3-4H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:29:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqIK-0005Ci-L1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:28:50 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp22.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.190]:54242) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqIG-0003xK-DB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail01.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.10]) by outbound-smtp22.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ACB0BAAEE for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:28:41 +0000 (GMT) Original-Received: (qmail 17446 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2021 08:28:41 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rt-inspiron-3480) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.76.74.4]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 13 Feb 2021 08:28:41 -0000 In-Reply-To: <87y2ftroma.fsf@zoho.eu> (message from Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor on Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:57:01 +0100) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.17.249.190; envelope-from=rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com; helo=outbound-smtp22.blacknight.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127914 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > Jean Louis wrote: > >> I do not consider that survey authentic. But let us say it >> is. In my opinion that 30% from the survey is much greater >> number in reality. If we assume that 30% would apply also to >> those who reported Emacs installations in Debian GNU/Linux >> than there is at least 4800 users among those 16000 who >> reported using Emacs in that OS. > > Is this another survey I didn't hear about? > > Please always provide reference(s) when you make claims that > involve data. I don't know where Jean Louis got his info from. I assume the Debian survey is the "popcon" one. You can find the results for Emacs here: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=emacs The Emacs usage survey mentioned was shared on Emacs-Devel but not here. I don't know why. It was shared in some other places too. I get the impression it was by someone very modern who isn't into things like email lists. I don't know if it's millions, but lots of people use Emacs. As you can see, the Debian survey shows about 14000. Also, there are 49000 subscribers to Emacs Reddit. I suspect not every Emacs user is on Reddit, so the number is probably higher than 49000. BR, Robert Thorpe