From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:53:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87y2a8ecck.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87o8bgg6br.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> <878s2j2onn.fsf@zoho.eu> <87r1gbdr6d.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o8b4eiyr.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17113"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:mRJto+buq0bK4jgfeV+0CrPN3gc= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 00:54:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3nlw-0004Fy-GE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:54:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50550 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3nlu-0004t8-Mz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:54:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55280) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3nlQ-0004sj-9u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:60236) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m3nlO-0001ul-P0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:53:59 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3nlM-0003Sj-IN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:53:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131711 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski wrote: > I haven't read this thread, just skimmed through a few > messages here, but as a mathematician and a (co)author of > two math textbooks I'd like to add something. > > 1. I think it's best (in math) to use prose first to explain > ideas and then follow with symbolic notation. Maybe if the ideas are new or if there is some particular property that is of interest here and there to that document, so people will get a head start understanding the "symbolic notation". For example, Researcher at LCU (Limbo City University) have concluded that statistically, the third element is where the interesting stuff starts: a[2] If the ideas aren't new, one can instead write a paragraph who came up with it, when, how, and why, and then a second paragraph how it has been applied (used) in industry and technology ever since. But without the symbolic notation it isn't really math, is it, because the natural language, no matter how careful one is, can still be misinterpreted, interpreted in several ways, it can be translated, made fun of ... > If you remove the scaffolding you make learning way more > difficult. Even in research articles I'd leave traces of it > (assuming I'd write any research articles - not very > probable). Yeah, textbook and research, more "scaffolding" in the textbooks, for sure... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal