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X-OriginatorOrg: umanitoba.ca X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: YT3PR01MB9964.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 7958b451-5ba4-4e6a-99fa-08dafa3e9a4b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 19 Jan 2023 17:00:00.9752 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4f80dd0b-338c-4e4c-8a14-90446962f7b8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: AL/FZH1ppu2g+blSErCJCXRi31TceGXzPQnvOCMLGdF2i/5OozxXXWEyGmtZdCMMRLoq18wznLTxmYd3W7Z/vw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: YT3PR01MB5700 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:111:f403:7052::71c; envelope-from=Leo.Butler@umanitoba.ca; helo=CAN01-YQB-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142436 Archived-At: On Thu, Jan 19 2023, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Thursday, 19 Jan 2023 at 15:10, Martin Steffen wrote: >> I agree (but qualified). I used RMAIL when I started with emacs (long >> time ago, and I think I used other emacs email software), gnus is way >> more versatile. One thing that may speak against it is it can be >> complex. > > +1 having gone from RMAIL to VM to wl to gnus (with mutt somewhere in > the middle). > >> Actually, I started having troubles locally, after my organization did >> no longer supported IMAP properly (which as a consequence mean, all >> email clients/user programs work excellently as long as they are called >> outlook).=20 > > I've had the same problem including 2FA introduced two years ago. I'm > using davmail as an intermediary to ensure I can keep using gnus. Works > well. I encountered the same problem when my employer introduced mandatory 2fa last year. I use davmail+gnus like you, but I cannot recommend it: davmail is fiendishly slow, does not cope well with a mobile existence (i.e. suspend & resume) and makes a large number of mistakes involving copying & deleting emails. I would *love* to have a working 2fa layer for gnus that works as painlessly as thunderbird's without needing something like davmail. FWIW, Leo=