From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:58:15 +0000 Message-ID: <87wqmyen6g.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wqmzjvly.fsf@gmail.com> <874na2g9wz.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378169929 28656 80.91.229.3 (3 Sep 2013 00:58:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 00:58:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 03 02:58:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGexG-0001xu-I5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:58:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42591 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGexF-0001m2-Td for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:58:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41154) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGex1-0001gJ-Ci for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:58:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGeww-0002VT-3H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGewv-0002VN-Qk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:58:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGewt-0001md-Fj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:58:27 +0200 Original-Received: from tor4.anonymizer.ccc.de ([80.237.226.74]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:58:27 +0200 Original-Received: from wgreenhouse by tor4.anonymizer.ccc.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:58:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: tor4.anonymizer.ccc.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dswtazUOEDaKYSKiJ8AW6ETzZmw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93209 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes: > >> Thorsten Jolitz writes: >> >>> Please don't feel compelled, I don't think that thread was meant so >>> seriously (including my post). But if you want to expose your >>> grandparents to the world of computers for the very first time, and you >>> love them more than you love RMS, maybe you should consider my anecdotal >>> evidence ... >> >> My grandmother (and presumably many people's grandparents) used >> computers for work, and they were command-line based with monochrome >> displays. Why assume that touchscreen GUIs are inherently intuitive? >> (Hint: the fact that they don't come with manuals is not evidence of this). > > Well, people the age of my grandmother have been using GUI almost all > their live too. > > I'm afraid, the gran'ma argument can't be used anymore in computing, our > pioneer are already dead (RIP John McCarthy, Dijkstra, Backus, etc). Also a valid point. It's ageist, sexist, and doesn't even really make sense anymore. -- Regards, WGG