From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Udyant Wig Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs stackexchange beta site Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 11:44:33 +0530 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <87vboibyye.fsf@panda.goosenet.in> References: <874mw5q15w.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a95wy73q.fsf@debian.uxu> <8761gkdto0.fsf@panda.goosenet.in> <87fvfncugw.fsf@panda.goosenet.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411193732 15708 80.91.229.3 (20 Sep 2014 06:15:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:15:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 20 08:15:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XVDx2-00023K-N4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:15:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33516 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVDx2-0004O4-8W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 02:15:20 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 37 Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="54f2caf310278e3b77822510e233cd4d"; logging-data="13036"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Betv4mxY87eSmxoqBVuQK" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fQOyeqrl1+wkqsxajGPR/h32KeU= sha1:RN4diC2CUAGh5qUJys3BwCqaSI8= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:207787 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100061 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: | The spying is not done on what goes on the channel. It's done on the | meta data around it. Google and others gather information not about | newsgroups, but about YOU, cross referencing your phone number, your | postal address (your GPS coordinates), all your searches (and the page | you visit thru clicking on search results), your friends (circles), | all your emails (gmail), and so on. This is this data that you don't | want spying agencies to have access to, but that is centralized in | google's data centers. Is there no way out of this mess? [IIRC, once you outlined the difference (in comp.lang.lisp) between a world (such as the original ARPANET) where each person has his own mail server and one (such as ours) wherein everyone used a single mail server (like the one for Google Mail.) I think you gave the example of Minitel. So, now, instead of an N * M network we have an N * 1 network. This may or may not be relevant.] | | | Given that despite all those inconvenient, unwashed masses use | google/SX, it may be a good thing to do some publicity there, to | attract new users and teach them about emacs and a more independant | and free computing. I suppose that the end is a good one, even though not all the new users will stay on to become better than newbies, and fewer experts. -- Udyant Wig GitHub: https://github.com/udyant Poetry: http://www.writing.com/main/profile/biography/frosthrone