From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 13:10:06 -0700 Message-ID: <87vabgg481.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <5869d0fb59fb1052eca11f2cde706ebd@openmail.cc> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526933491 7380 195.159.176.226 (21 May 2018 20:11:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 20:11:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 21 22:11:26 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKr9S-0001oD-1m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 22:11:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52292 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKrBZ-0000i6-7v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 16:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49895) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKrB7-0000hU-DL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 16:13:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKrB4-0004mv-7v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 16:13:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=49186 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKrB4-0004lh-0N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 16:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKr8s-00017C-Mt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 22:10:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:FlTRHxlaltfwbKtU02lXFKe3qTA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116800 Archived-At: edgar@openmail.cc writes: >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:44:39 -1000 >> From: Bob Newell >> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org >> > >> If your evaluation (and you need to do a careful evaluation of the >> merits and demerits of both your approach and her approach) is that >> it's better to go with what your adviser asks, then you should do so. >> No, I wouldn't like it either. But I don't think (unlike RMS, perhaps) >> that there are show-stopping moral or ethical issues here. >> >> If your evaluation truly tells you that your way is best, then you >> need to come up with a plan of action, with alternatives. I'd suggest >> that a good enough evaluation could possibly sway your adviser. >> >> Best of luck to you. >> > > Thank you, Bob (I'm sorry for not knowing any Hawaiian other than > aloha). I truly believe that my way is best (she likes track changes, > but I am almost sure that has never tried Git, subversion, mercurial > or anything like that). On the other hand, I really think that she is > still not going to like it if I try to persuade her (I think that > there was a previous student trying to use LaTeX, for instance, and > she really dislikes it for some reason; I don't really know). For anyone who's paying attention to US politics (I hope it's not ruining your day), the lesson I think we're learning here is that positions that are held for emotional reasons only get stronger the more you attack them. Knowing nothing more about your adviser than what you've written in this thread, it sounds like it might be an emotional issue for her (as it may be for you, and certainly is for many of us here!). Meaning, she's likely to respond to any perceived "attack" by doubling down. So it might be time to try out the Daoist playbook and "do without doing". That's not helpful advice without more specifics, but my understanding of the approach is that you create the conditions conducive to the result you want, rather than forcing the result itself. So that might mean providing a useful FOSS-based service to your fellow students, or helping people understand your workflow in a non-pressuring way, or... otherwise convincing people that it was their idea to begin with. Just an idea! Eric